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From: Marc Bevand <bevand_m@epita.fr>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: WINE + NX (No eXecute) support for x86, 2.6.7-rc2-bk2
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:50:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cabvf1$2ts$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA2ZSI4XW+fk25FhAf9BqjtMKAAAAQAAAAFnNl61uL20Wfr6jkoh79oAEAAAAA@casabyte.com>

Robert White wrote:
> You are missing the model:
> 
> To enable executable stack/heap you would:
> 
> if ((fd = open("/proc/self/NX",O_RDWR)) >= 0) {
>    write(fd,"1",1);
>    close(fd);
> }
> 
> (disabling would be symmetric with "0")
> 
> Because this is a sequence of specific instructions (that shouldn't exist in the
> default library to prevent stack return hack invocation) these instructions would
> exist only in programs that want to be EX anyway.

Even such a protection model (a sequence of 3 syscalls to enable or
disable NX) can be easily bypassed by an attacker. The classic method
of return-into-libc (with a small variation that I would call
chained-returns-into-libc) still works.

As other people already said on this list: the ability to disable NX
is a *bad* thing for security.

-- 
Marc Bevand                          http://www.epita.fr/~bevand_m
Computer Science School EPITA - System, Network and Security Dept.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-11  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-06  6:09 WINE + NX (No eXecute) support for x86, 2.6.7-rc2-bk2 Mike McCormack
2004-06-06  5:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-06-06  8:29   ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-06  7:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-08  9:20       ` Jakub Jelinek
2004-06-08 11:15         ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-08 10:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-06-08 12:01             ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-09  1:40             ` John Reiser
2004-06-09  2:27               ` Paul Jackson
2004-06-06  7:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-06  9:13   ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-06  8:10     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-06  9:37       ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-06  8:39         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-06  8:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-06 10:20             ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-06 11:17             ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-07  4:20         ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-07 14:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-06-08 21:50         ` Robert White
2004-06-08 21:57           ` Robert White
2004-06-09 16:53           ` Jesse Pollard
2004-06-09 20:53             ` Robert White
2004-06-10 13:35               ` Jesse Pollard
2004-06-10 21:13                 ` Robert White
2004-06-11  9:50                   ` Marc Bevand [this message]
2004-06-09 17:14           ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-09 18:02             ` Evaldo Gardenali
2004-06-09 19:58             ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-10 18:07             ` Stefanos Harhalakis
2004-06-06 11:38     ` David Woodhouse
2004-06-06 15:58       ` Mike McCormack
2004-06-07  8:49       ` David Howells
     [not found] <23Y4Y-6F5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <240qb-8ir-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <240Tc-gV-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <2412S-pU-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <24vX0-81P-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-06-07 17:40         ` Andi Kleen
2004-06-08  9:42           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <24WNz-4pO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-06-10 18:57           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-10 21:33             ` Robert White

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