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From: Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof.johansson@gmail.com>,
	alankao@andestech.com, abner.chang@hpe.com,
	Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	zong@andestech.com, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
	sw-dev@groups.riscv.org, Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	mick@ics.forth.gr, Alistair Francis <Alistair.Francis@wdc.com>,
	Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Andrew Waterman <andrew@sifive.com>
Subject: Re: [sw-dev] SBI extension proposal v2
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:47:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cbccd2dd56e1e5b498fd12abda22b863@mailhost.ics.forth.gr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <033872b8-49d5-2731-118f-967488f4763f@suse.de>

Στις 2019-01-28 18:38, Alexander Graf έγραψε:
> On 28.01.19 17:33, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> ---
>> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: 
>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:44 PM Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> wrote:
>> 
>>>> If Risc-V wants to avoid fragmentation, it should simply keep a 
>>>> firmer
>>>> reign in what is allowed in an implementation and keep a lid on such
>>>> horrid ideas as vendor specific userspace ISA extensions.
>>> 
>>> I tend to agree here. I think a global identification scheme is
>>> reasonable. But can't we just live with a single global spec that 
>>> people
>>> contribute to?
>> 
>>  unfortunately, alexander, the RISC-V Foundation has chosen to exclude
>> people from the discussion, by choosing an ITU-style ("Cartelled")
>> secretive standards development process.
>> 
>>  so as an "outsider" who for whatever reason cannot join that closed,
>> secretive process (for example a strategically-critical u-boot or
>> linux kernel developer with decades of relevant experience but who is
>> under contract) even if you wanted to contribute to a single global
>> spec, you can't.
>> 
>>  the reasons why the ITU-style Cartel was set up have been discussed
>> and made clear (patents); the justifications were knocked down; there
>> was no response.
> 
> I can see why you want to have a process like that in place for the ISA
> itself, but the SBI spec really should not have anything "innovative" 
> or
> patentable. At the end of the day, it's a communication mechanism.
> 
> 
> Alex

FYI
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/riscvsbi/

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-28 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-10  2:42 SBI extension proposal v2 Atish Patra
2018-11-10  2:42 ` Atish Patra
2018-11-10  5:12 ` [sw-dev] " Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10  5:12   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 14:50   ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 14:50     ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:48     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 15:48       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 16:46       ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 16:46         ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:40         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:40           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:41         ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41           ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:42           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:42             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51             ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:51               ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:55               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:55                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 18:03                 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 18:03                   ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43           ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43             ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41         ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:41           ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:47           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:47             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:59             ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59               ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 18:01               ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 18:01                 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 19:33                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:33                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11  3:15                 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11  3:15                   ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11  7:14                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11  7:14                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 13:17                     ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 13:17                       ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12  2:08                     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-12  2:08                       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 18:02             ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 18:02               ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 19:34               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:34                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-13  1:22             ` Michael Clark
2018-11-13  1:22               ` Michael Clark
2018-11-10 17:54           ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:54             ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59           ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:59             ` ron minnich
2018-11-11  3:58         ` Atish Patra
2018-11-11  3:58           ` Atish Patra
2018-12-02  6:18           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-01-28 12:31             ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:33               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 16:38                 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:47                   ` Nick Kossifidis [this message]
2019-01-28 19:43                     ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:47                       ` Atish Patra
2019-01-28 19:48                         ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:40                   ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 19:55                     ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 20:18                       ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 20:37                         ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 22:23                           ` ron minnich
2019-01-29  8:53                             ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-29 15:52                               ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 23:46                         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 23:22                     ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-29  0:03                       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-29  4:28                       ` ron minnich
     [not found]                         ` <CANs6eMk4z-ZibLW_5o03onu8AQe23uMa2hSieceHFqKS7igLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-01-30  0:05                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-30  0:17                             ` ron minnich
2019-01-30  0:49                             ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-30  3:15                               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
     [not found]                     ` <09bede45-6ecf-4ded-8615-0be38aac33fc@groups.riscv.org>
2019-01-29  3:58                       ` Samuel Falvo II
2019-01-29  4:33                       ` ron minnich
2019-02-05 22:29                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-02-05 23:02                       ` Luís Marques
2019-02-06  7:03                         ` ron minnich
2019-02-06  7:54                           ` Damien Le Moal
2019-02-07  3:56                           ` Paul Walmsley
2019-02-07  7:17                             ` Anup Patel
2019-02-07  7:19                             ` Anup Patel
2019-01-29 22:41             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 17:43       ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:43         ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:51         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10  5:36 ` David Abdurachmanov
2018-11-10  5:36   ` David Abdurachmanov
     [not found]   ` <CA++6G0BTdybjhqaXm9EhAz0HsgpwfozK6OEL7DuzbS48RbEChA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-10 15:09     ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:09       ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12  4:33 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12  4:33   ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-12-04 23:22   ` [sw-dev] " Atish Patra

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