From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mta0.migadu.com (out-21.mta0.migadu.com [91.218.175.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABAA8309EEC for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2026 13:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=91.218.175.21 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791983599; cv=none; b=IpFtwcAd/XbRf40ct/U0Pba+3GyAcGFinjos9Jv0bljhIZGPRbyQnVb/Y0aQaYXoJoBuZL7wEBCZO1B0K9OFqqmGYXOlgURdw4Gk2oNsHAjWeA6YgLXgUPLomGtrSFaNznX6EO1YZ73zTd+BzSfmWv9qHkwm9VLjAlYlRMnP51A= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791983599; c=relaxed/simple; bh=MBQeS7aKBL9jc2BojvONKyZ7ZEKUC3n50pEkcwW+B4o=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Content-Type:From:Message-ID:Subject:To:Cc: In-Reply-To:References; b=u46LJxgSuS70j7DwQyroU5RtJ+6mwh1QUt1t0GgYSurTZbAuwOblDugAZ9uD2ARWnCfqXt3+HPeo6LxYMG27g+nM6sHzsc+k44meVxeE7m5T2AjOe/NsgvPz9IaanZHhzEvSzJ7JRcaepMPt6wOmZSA8Xg3biIrEeVXsvjcN3ec= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.dev; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linux.dev; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux.dev header.i=@linux.dev header.b=cL+J4tlp; arc=none smtp.client-ip=91.218.175.21 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.dev Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linux.dev Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux.dev header.i=@linux.dev header.b="cL+J4tlp" X-Envelope-To: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; bh=MBQeS7aKBL9jc2BojvONKyZ7ZEKUC3n50pEkcwW+B4o=; c=simple/simple; d=linux.dev; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=key1; t=1791983594; v=1; x=1792588394; b=cL+J4tlpsyq9Z3S9DQgSL7F/Ow1MIn7u0t2j0JF+ijcmx0D8QXWLJKX1PM5KUAhtPoKGhdA+ dVr/McxbQ2WoXnWuJFB9wU+msPR6IuaDRVfn/vWUQjLlpQ3fHWnd2t0kufvDPHHvQaGa0CQMq2M qd9DKJ1SerVSSdQ784Z5iAIo= X-Envelope-To: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Received: by smtp.migadu.com with ESMTPS id 0398f7b3c6b27810; Wed, 14 Oct 2026 13:13:14 +0000 X-Mizu-Trace-ID: 0398f7b3c6b27810 X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2026 13:13:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Luka Gejak" Message-ID: TLS-Required: No Subject: Re: [PATCH rtw-next v8 5/7] wifi: rtw88: 8723b: add the RTL8723B chip driver To: "Greg KH" Cc: "Ping-Ke Shih" , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Michael Straube" , "Peter Robinson" , "Bitterblue Smith" In-Reply-To: <2026101452-chapter-friday-dada@gregkh> References: <20261006130701.120460-6-luka.gejak@linux.dev> <3db085e6c3c14545ac9fd4221e0715ed@realtek.com> <2026100746-delicate-carless-a04c@gregkh> <3028b229a6fbe02d2bcfa30c497b6a768ba8c928@linux.dev> <2026101046-transport-unnerving-96de@gregkh> <4464409846710dfa13134265f0f99523714cfa92@linux.dev> <2026101452-chapter-friday-dada@gregkh> October 14, 2026 at 3:04 PM, "Greg KH" wrote= : >=20 >=20On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 11:31:57AM +0000, Luka Gejak wrote: >=20 >=20>=20 >=20> October 10, 2026 at 12:18 PM, "Greg KH" wrote: > >=20=20 >=20>=20=20 >=20>=20=20 >=20> On Wed, Oct 07, 2026 at 10:35:25AM +0000, Luka Gejak wrote: > >=20=20 >=20> >=20 >=20> [...] > > >=20 >=20> > Hi Greg, > > >=20 >=20> > I have sent the patch, and I think you are going to like this > > > number: 66186 deletions > > >=20 >=20> Very happy :) > >=20=20 >=20> >=20 >=20> > Not sure what people are going to use to learn though. It seems = to > > > me everyone is repeating the same patches. > > >=20 >=20> Yeah, we need to dig up some more out-of-tree kernel code to add i= t for > > them to churn on. But really, this is a good thing, it's nice to see > > real support for this hardware finally. > >=20=20 >=20> Hi Greg, > >=20=20 >=20> As both of you and I know there are not many young people in the > > kernel community and the steep learning curve is a big reason for th= at. > >=20 >=20Really? We average about 200-250 new contributors every kernel releas= e > until recently when it's shot up to 600-700 if not more. So we don't > seem to have a lack of new contributors for some reason... You misunderstood me, I said young people. I asked multiple young=20 programmers=20who were interested in linux why aren't they contributing to the linux kernel and they said that it was hard for them to learn=20 because=20many issues they find in staging(which I believe you recently= =20 called=20learning ground) have already been submitted or nacked. >=20 >=20>=20 >=20> I was not sure whether you were joking or not about the comment > > above so I decided to find that appropriate replacement for staging > > rtl8723bs. After searching I found this interesting xradio driver, > > which is a mac80211 based driver for some orange pies and other devi= ces. > > It is around 18,000 lines of code and upon check it out I fixed bunc= h > > of security issues per se and lockups that caused kernel to hang and= it > > is decently stable. I'm not gonna claim some extreme stability but i= t > > is at least usable and it has many coding standard issues. It is a g= ood > > candidate because newcomers would be learning the modern architectur= e > > and on top of it there is a lot of janitor work so people can learn > > the workflow and etc. Link is [1] so you can see for yourself and te= ll > > me what you think about it. > >=20 >=20If you think it is worth adding, sure, but normally we need someone t= o > actually care about it getting into the tree (i.e. real users > somewhere). As far as I know it is decently used piece of hardware so it should have users. >Also look at the bottom of the readme, shouldn't the > existing in-kernel driver just be tweaked for this hardware instead? >=20 Possibility,=20however it would require someone with sufficient knowledge to tweek it, which who knows if it is as simple as readme says. And I didn't mean it as a upstream ready driver, but rather a place where new people can learn as I previously said. Best regards, Luka Gejak