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From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Tero Kristo <t-kristo@ti.com>,
	Devicetree Compiler <devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org>,
	"moderated list:ARM/FREESCALE IMX / MXC ARM ARCHITECTURE"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCHv2 1/4] ARM: dts: add support for building DT overlays
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:00:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdcf2a18-d407-e466-2d23-1a00a74925cf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLKNnYD_hrpiV+34Mwf6xLfQQWZVJE7nuPYDL3ExDPemw@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/05/18 14:13, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:36 PM Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +cc: devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org
>>
>>      For context on the device-tree compiler list, this patch is for
>>      the Linux kernel.
>>
>> On 09/04/18 01:05, Tero Kristo wrote:
>>> Add simple support for building DT overlays. This just compiles any
>>> given .dtso file under the base arch/arm/boot/dts directory into
>>> a .dtbo.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Tero Kristo <t-kristo@ti.com>
>>> ---
>>>  arch/arm/Makefile | 2 +-
>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/Makefile b/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> index d1516f8..ab555a0 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> +++ b/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> @@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ $(BOOT_TARGETS): vmlinux
>>>  $(INSTALL_TARGETS):
>>>       $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=$(boot) MACHINE=$(MACHINE) $@
>>>
>>> -%.dtb: | scripts
>>> +%.dtb %.dtbo: | scripts
> 
> This will need to change with my rework of the DT build rules[1].
> 
>>>       $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=$(boot)/dts MACHINE=$(MACHINE) $(boot)/dts/$@
>>>
>>>  PHONY += dtbs dtbs_install
>>>
>>
>> The idea of adding knowledge of .dtso and .dtbo files to the dtc
>> compiler, but that idea and the related patches have fallen by
>> the wayside.
>>
>> Current overlay sources and blobs are properly handled by dtc when
>> they are .dts and .dtb files.
>>
>> If the dtc compiler is updated with knowledge of .dtso and .dtbo
>> then these changes would be needed.  At the moment the distinction
>> of a .dtso and .dtbo is a naming convention that provides a clue
>> about the intended use of the file.  But dtc does not know these
>> file name extensions, requiring a specific flag to tell dtc to
>> treat them as .dts or .dtb files.  I think the negative outweighs
>> the positive for this patch.
> 
> I don't follow what you are proposing. We should decide on a convention though.
> 
> We shouldn't need .dtso because that is identified with the /plugin/
> tag. Distinguishing overlay dtbs with .dtbo seems like a good idea
> though.

I noted technical reasons that using .dtbo has both good and bad aspects.
I too at times just fall back to a "sounds good" or "sounds bad" type
response (and will continue to do so in the future), but in this case
please provide a somewhat stronger reasoning for using .dtbo since I
stated that I feel the in technical balance the negatives outweigh the
positives.  If dtc adds knowledge of .dtbo my opinion of the balance
will immediately reverse.

> 
> Rob
> 
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/8/21/770
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: frowand.list@gmail.com (Frank Rowand)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RESEND PATCHv2 1/4] ARM: dts: add support for building DT overlays
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:00:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdcf2a18-d407-e466-2d23-1a00a74925cf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLKNnYD_hrpiV+34Mwf6xLfQQWZVJE7nuPYDL3ExDPemw@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/05/18 14:13, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:36 PM Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +cc: devicetree-compiler at vger.kernel.org
>>
>>      For context on the device-tree compiler list, this patch is for
>>      the Linux kernel.
>>
>> On 09/04/18 01:05, Tero Kristo wrote:
>>> Add simple support for building DT overlays. This just compiles any
>>> given .dtso file under the base arch/arm/boot/dts directory into
>>> a .dtbo.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Tero Kristo <t-kristo@ti.com>
>>> ---
>>>  arch/arm/Makefile | 2 +-
>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/Makefile b/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> index d1516f8..ab555a0 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> +++ b/arch/arm/Makefile
>>> @@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ $(BOOT_TARGETS): vmlinux
>>>  $(INSTALL_TARGETS):
>>>       $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=$(boot) MACHINE=$(MACHINE) $@
>>>
>>> -%.dtb: | scripts
>>> +%.dtb %.dtbo: | scripts
> 
> This will need to change with my rework of the DT build rules[1].
> 
>>>       $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=$(boot)/dts MACHINE=$(MACHINE) $(boot)/dts/$@
>>>
>>>  PHONY += dtbs dtbs_install
>>>
>>
>> The idea of adding knowledge of .dtso and .dtbo files to the dtc
>> compiler, but that idea and the related patches have fallen by
>> the wayside.
>>
>> Current overlay sources and blobs are properly handled by dtc when
>> they are .dts and .dtb files.
>>
>> If the dtc compiler is updated with knowledge of .dtso and .dtbo
>> then these changes would be needed.  At the moment the distinction
>> of a .dtso and .dtbo is a naming convention that provides a clue
>> about the intended use of the file.  But dtc does not know these
>> file name extensions, requiring a specific flag to tell dtc to
>> treat them as .dts or .dtb files.  I think the negative outweighs
>> the positive for this patch.
> 
> I don't follow what you are proposing. We should decide on a convention though.
> 
> We shouldn't need .dtso because that is identified with the /plugin/
> tag. Distinguishing overlay dtbs with .dtbo seems like a good idea
> though.

I noted technical reasons that using .dtbo has both good and bad aspects.
I too at times just fall back to a "sounds good" or "sounds bad" type
response (and will continue to do so in the future), but in this case
please provide a somewhat stronger reasoning for using .dtbo since I
stated that I feel the in technical balance the negatives outweigh the
positives.  If dtc adds knowledge of .dtbo my opinion of the balance
will immediately reverse.

> 
> Rob
> 
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/8/21/770
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-06 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-31 12:47 [PATCHv2 0/4] ARM build infra changes to support building .dtbos Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47 ` Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47 ` [PATCHv2 1/4] ARM: dts: add support for building DT overlays Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47   ` Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47 ` [PATCHv2 2/4] ARM: dts: add support for individual build flags for DT subdirs Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47   ` Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47 ` [PATCHv2 3/4] arm64: dts: add support for building DT overlays Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47   ` Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47 ` [PATCHv2 4/4] arm64: dts: add support for per sub-dir makefiles for DT building Tero Kristo
2018-08-31 12:47   ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05 ` [RESEND PATCHv2 0/4] ARM build infra changes to support building .dtbos Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05   ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05   ` [RESEND PATCHv2 1/4] ARM: dts: add support for building DT overlays Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05     ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-05 20:36     ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 20:36       ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 21:13       ` Rob Herring
2018-09-05 21:13         ` Rob Herring
2018-09-06 21:00         ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2018-09-06 21:00           ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-04  8:05   ` [RESEND PATCHv2 2/4] ARM: dts: add support for individual build flags for DT subdirs Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05     ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-05 20:36     ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 20:36       ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 21:38       ` Rob Herring
2018-09-05 21:38         ` Rob Herring
2018-09-04  8:05   ` [RESEND PATCHv2 3/4] arm64: dts: add support for building DT overlays Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05     ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-05 20:36     ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 20:36       ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-04  8:05   ` [RESEND PATCHv2 4/4] arm64: dts: add support for per sub-dir makefiles for DT building Tero Kristo
2018-09-04  8:05     ` Tero Kristo
2018-09-05 20:37     ` Frank Rowand
2018-09-05 20:37       ` Frank Rowand

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