All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Mario Holbe <Mario.Holbe@TU-Ilmenau.DE>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spares and partitioning huge disks
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:33:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <crpg32$2rr$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200501082025.20463.maarten@ultratux.net

maarten <maarten@ultratux.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 08 January 2005 19:55, you wrote:
>> My disks claim to be able to re-locate bad blocks on read error.  But I am
>> not sure if this is correctable errors or not.  If not correctable errors
>> are re-located, what data does the drive return?  Since I don't know, I
...
> Afaik, if a drive senses it gets more 'difficult' than usual to read a sector, 
> it will automatically copy it to a spare sector and reassign it. However, I 

No, this is usually not the case. At least I don't know IDE drives
that do so. This is why I call it `sector read error'.
Each newer disk has some amount of `spare sectors' which can be
used to relocate bad sectors. Usually, you have two situations
where you can detect a bad sector:
1. If you write to it and this attempt fails and
2. If you read from it and this attempt fails.
1. would require some verify-operation, so I'm not sure if this
is done at all in the wild.
2. has a simple problem: If you get a read-request for sector x
and you cannot read it, what data should you return then? The
answer is simple: you don't return data but an error (the read-
error). Additionally you mark the sector as bad and relocate the
next write-request for that sector to some spare sector and further
read-requests then too. However, you still have to respond error
messages for each subsequent read-request before the first
relocated write-request appears.
And afaik this is what current disks do. That's why you can just
re-sync the failed disk to the array again without any problem -
because the write-request happens then, the relocation takes place
and everything's fine.


regards,
   Mario
-- 
The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that
nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol.  -- Larry Wall


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-08 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-06 14:16 Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-06 16:46 ` Guy
2005-01-06 17:08   ` maarten
2005-01-06 17:31 ` Guy
2005-01-06 18:18   ` maarten
     [not found]     ` <41DD83DA.9040609@h3c.com>
2005-01-06 19:42       ` maarten
2005-01-07 20:59 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-07 21:57   ` Guy
2005-01-08 10:22     ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 12:19       ` maarten
2005-01-08 16:33         ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:58           ` maarten
2005-01-08 14:52     ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-08 15:50       ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 16:32       ` Guy
2005-01-08 17:16         ` maarten
2005-01-08 18:55           ` Guy
2005-01-08 19:25             ` maarten
2005-01-08 20:33               ` Mario Holbe [this message]
2005-01-08 23:01                 ` maarten
2005-01-09 10:10                   ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-09 16:23                     ` Guy
2005-01-09 16:36                       ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 17:52                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 17:59                           ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 18:34                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 20:28                             ` Guy
2005-01-09 20:47                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  7:19                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  9:05                                   ` Guy
2005-01-10  9:38                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 12:31                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 13:19                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 18:37                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-11 11:34                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-08 23:09               ` Guy
2005-01-09  0:56                 ` maarten
2005-01-13  2:05                 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-13  4:55                   ` Guy
2005-01-13  9:27                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 15:53                     ` Guy
2005-01-13 17:16                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 20:40                         ` Guy
2005-01-13 23:32                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-14  2:43                             ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:49       ` maarten
2005-01-08 19:01         ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:34           ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:36             ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 17:10               ` maarten
2005-01-16 16:19                 ` 4 questions. Chieftec chassis case CA-01B, resync times, selecting ide driver module loading, raid5 :2 drives on same ide channel Mitchell Laks
2005-01-16 17:53                   ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-16 18:22                   ` Maarten
2005-01-16 19:39                   ` Guy
2005-01-16 20:55                     ` Maarten
2005-01-16 21:58                       ` Guy
2005-01-10 17:13             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
2005-01-10 17:35               ` hard disk re-locates bad block on read Guy
2005-01-11 14:34                 ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-11 22:43                   ` Guy
2005-01-12 13:51                     ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-10 18:24               ` Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-10 20:09                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 21:21                   ` maarten
2005-01-11  1:04                   ` maarten
2005-01-10 18:40               ` maarten
2005-01-10 19:41                 ` Guy
2005-01-12 11:41               ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-13  2:11                 ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2005-01-15 16:12                   ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-17  8:04                     ` RAID-6 Turbo Fredriksson
2005-01-11 10:09             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks KELEMEN Peter
2005-01-09 19:33         ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 21:26           ` maarten
2005-01-09 22:29             ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 23:16               ` maarten
2005-01-10  8:15                 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-14 17:29                   ` Dieter Stueken
2005-01-14 17:46                     ` maarten
2005-01-14 19:14                       ` Derek Piper
2005-01-15  0:13                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-15  9:34                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15  9:54                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:31                           ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-15 11:10                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:33                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15 11:07                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-09 23:20             ` Guy
2005-01-10  7:42               ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  9:03                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 12:21                   ` Stats... [RE: Spares and partitioning huge disks] Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  0:42             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-13  9:53 Bene Martin
2005-01-13 10:11 ` Peter T. Breuer

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='crpg32$2rr$1@sea.gmane.org' \
    --to=mario.holbe@tu-ilmenau.de \
    --cc=linux-raid@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.