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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, horms@verge.net.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rpjday@mindspring.com, ak@suse.de,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, cfriesen@nortel.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, jesper.juhl@gmail.com, zlynx@acm.org,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, wensong@linux-vs.org, wjiang@resilience.com,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:13:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2cd1065faf8a13040e8a2405c363aa1@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070815195915.GL9645@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

>>>>> Well if there is only one memory location involved, then smp_rmb()
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> going to really do anything anyway, so it would be incorrect to use
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> rmb() orders *any* two reads; that includes two reads from the same
>>>> location.
>>>
>>> If the two reads are to the same location, all CPUs I am aware of
>>> will maintain the ordering without need for a memory barrier.
>>
>> That's true of course, although there is no real guarantee for that.
>
> A CPU that did not provide this property ("cache coherence") would be
> most emphatically reviled.

That doesn't have anything to do with coherency as far as I can see.

It's just about the order in which a CPU (speculatively) performs the 
loads
(which isn't necessarily the same as the order in which it executes the
corresponding instructions, even).

> So we are pretty safe assuming that CPUs
> will provide it.

Yeah, pretty safe.  I just don't like undocumented assumptions :-)


Segher


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-15 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:41 [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv Chris Snook
2007-08-09 16:54 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10  9:23   ` David Howells
2007-08-10 19:54     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-11  0:54       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11  0:54         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11  4:29         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-13  5:15           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-13  6:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14  5:34               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-14  7:26                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-14 17:01                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14 22:01                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 13:29                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-15 15:06                         ` Michael Buesch
2007-08-15 13:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 20:15                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:09                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16  2:27                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-11  8:47       ` David Howells
2007-08-13  6:44         ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14  5:42           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 18:51             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:18               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:46                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:13                     ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2007-08-15 20:38                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:15                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:20                           ` Nick Piggin

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