From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Tony Lindgren <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 14:54:29 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d36468632f54e15c9107169af03b436f22e0a90f.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <arJNemNy_SK3mt_c@tlindgre-MOBL1>
On Tue, 2026-09-22 at 12:42 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote:
>
> > Anyway, if I can get the TDX module to allow dirty tracking independent of
> > migration, we could pick either mechanism, or even implement both and add a
> > TDX-specific ioctl to select which one to use. We could plug either method
> > into the KVM_DIRTY_LOG ioctl - both would work, just differently.
>
> Note that for TDX write-blocking is an older approach. The non-blocking
> SEAMCALLs were added because of the issues noticed. Both features are not
> usable the same time.
But let me clarify one point: write-blocking (the WP-based mechanism) isn't
broken - it works fine. For fairness:
- MMU-intrusiveness - valid argument.
- It is "older" - not on its own a strong argument. Older does not
automatically make it categorically worse.
Side note: although I always try to remember that if there is a real need,
we can work with the TDX module architects on the ABI to reduce that
intrusiveness. I do not see the need yet, though.
> If non-blocking is enabled for a TDX module write-blocking cannot be used.
> Also note that the dirty log scan features depend on non-blocking features
> being enabled.
To make it more pronounced: Tony says the blocking vs. non-blocking TDX
export mode is:
- Global for all TDs, not a per-TD choice.
- Decided at TDX module initialization time, and cannot be changed without
re-initializing or updating the module. So in practice, it's a kernel
init time decision.
So my suggestion that both could be implemented and selected via a uAPI is
moot in practice.
Good point, thanks!
Artem.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-22 11:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-31 7:13 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: KVM: Add live migration API for confidential guests Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:20 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-18 11:35 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-21 4:20 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 1:50 ` Wei Wang
2026-09-24 4:51 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_CAP_LIVE_MIGRATION and KVM_MIGRATE_CMD Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:03 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 11:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-07 13:15 ` Jörg Rödel
2026-09-07 13:32 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-08 4:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-08 4:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-09 0:22 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-09 6:57 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-10 1:11 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-10 6:33 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-11 1:40 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-11 4:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15 0:14 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-15 4:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-15 15:53 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-16 5:09 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-17 3:31 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-17 6:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 4:32 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-18 5:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 0:13 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21 6:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 9:24 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 10:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 3:57 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22 5:25 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-23 0:38 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 6:04 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 5:53 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24 6:59 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 4:33 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-21 5:58 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-21 6:56 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 3:56 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-22 6:27 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-23 0:37 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 6:50 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-24 5:34 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-24 7:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-10-08 9:22 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_MEMORY and KVM_IMPORT_MEMORY Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:10 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: x86: Add optional KVM_EXPORT_VCPU and KVM_IMPORT_VCPU Tony Lindgren
2026-08-31 7:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 6:12 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-04 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Add KVM API for confidential guest live migration Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-17 21:27 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-18 12:46 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-18 15:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-22 8:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-22 9:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 11:54 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2026-09-23 4:20 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-22 21:18 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 12:05 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-24 21:19 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-28 14:15 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-09-29 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-02 19:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2026-10-07 20:00 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-23 15:28 ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-20 23:56 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-23 21:36 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-24 4:27 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-25 14:18 ` Peter Xu
2026-09-29 1:28 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-30 20:42 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-07 4:27 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-10-07 20:13 ` Peter Xu
2026-10-08 6:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-18 18:36 ` Ionut Mihalcea
2026-09-21 4:35 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-25 16:03 ` Serge Hallyn (AMD)
2026-09-28 3:24 ` Kishen Maloor
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