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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2020 09:20:26.7785 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 3dd8961f-e488-4e60-8e11-a82d994e183d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: U0XDtpKf9uhy7myYfa0uvkdSueczdkybXEuFFcjZ2uur84sPQzX4ZSP2sNMKZzsF X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR12MB1833 Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-media@vger.kernel.org Am 26.02.20 um 17:32 schrieb Daniel Vetter: > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:16 PM Daniel Vetter wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 07:46:59PM +0100, Christian König wrote: >>> Am 23.02.20 um 17:54 schrieb Thomas Hellström (VMware): >>>> On 2/23/20 4:45 PM, Christian König wrote: >>>>> Am 21.02.20 um 18:12 schrieb Daniel Vetter: >>>>>> [SNIP] >>>>>> Yeah the Great Plan (tm) is to fully rely on ww_mutex slowly >>>>>> degenerating >>>>>> into essentially a global lock. But only when there's actual contention >>>>>> and thrashing. >>>>> Yes exactly. A really big problem in TTM is currently that we drop >>>>> the lock after evicting BOs because they tend to move in again >>>>> directly after that. >>>>> >>>>> From practice I can also confirm that there is exactly zero benefit >>>>> from dropping locks early and reacquire them for example for the VM >>>>> page tables. That's just makes it more likely that somebody needs to >>>>> roll back and this is what we need to avoid in the first place. >>>> If you have a benchmarking setup available it would be very interesting >>>> for future reference to see how changing from WD to WW mutexes affects >>>> the roll back frequency. WW is known to cause rollbacks much less >>>> frequently but there is more work associated with each rollback. >>> Not of hand. To be honest I still have a hard time to get a grip on the >>> difference between WD and WW from the algorithm point of view. So I can't >>> judge that difference at all. >>> >>>>> Contention on BO locks during command submission is perfectly fine >>>>> as long as this is as lightweight as possible while we don't have >>>>> trashing. When we have trashing multi submission performance is best >>>>> archived to just favor a single process to finish its business and >>>>> block everybody else. >>>> Hmm. Sounds like we need a per-manager ww_rwsem protecting manager >>>> allocation, taken in write-mode then there's thrashing. In read-mode >>>> otherwise. That would limit the amount of "unnecessary" locks we'd have >>>> to keep and reduce unwanted side-effects, (see below): >>> Well per-manager (you mean per domain here don't you?) doesn't sound like >>> that useful because we rarely use only one domain, but I'm actually >>> questioning for quite a while if the per BO lock scheme was the right >>> approach. >>> >>> See from the performance aspect the closest to ideal solution I can think of >>> would be a ww_rwsem per user of a resource. >>> >>> In other words we don't lock BOs, but instead a list of all their users and >>> when you want to evict a BO you need to walk that list and inform all users >>> that the BO will be moving. >>> >>> During command submission you then have the fast path which rather just >>> grabs the read side of the user lock and check if all BOs are still in the >>> expected place. >>> >>> If some BOs were evicted you back off and start the slow path, e.g. maybe >>> even copy additional data from userspace then grab the write side of the >>> lock etc.. etc... >>> >>> That approach is similar to what we use in amdgpu with the per-VM BOs, but >>> goes a step further. Problem is that we are so used to per BO locks in the >>> kernel that this is probably not doable any more. >> Yeah I think it'd be nice to have the same approach for shared bo too. I >> guess what we could do is something like this (spinning your ww_rwmutex >> idea a bit further): >> >> dma_buf_read_lock(buf, vm) >> { >> if (enabled(CONFIG_DEBUG_WW_MUTEX_SLOWPATH)) >> { >> check that vm is indeed listed in buf and splat if not >> } >> >> /* for a buf that's not shared in multiple vm we'd have buf->resv >> * == vm->resv here */ >> return ww_mutex_lock(vm->resv); >> } >> >> dma_buf_write_lock(buf) >> { >> for_each_vm_in_buf(buf, vm) { >> ww_mutex_lock(vm->resv); >> } >> } >> >> Ideally we'd track all these vms with something slightly less shoddy than >> a linked list :-) Resizeable array is probably pretty good, I think we >> only ever need to go from buf -> vm list, not the other way round. At >> least in dma_resv/dma_buf code, driver code ofc needs to keep a list of >> all bo bound to a vm somewhere. But that's probably a much bigger >> datastructure for tracking vma offsets and mappings and other things on >> top. >> >> Ofc to even just get there we'd need something like the sublock list to >> keep track of all the additional locks we'd need for the writer lock. And >> we'd need the release callback for backoff, so that we could also go >> through the slowpath on a vm object that we're not holding a full >> reference on. That also means vm need to be refcounted. >> >> And the list of vms on a buffer need to be protected with some lock and >> the usual kref_get_unless_zero trickery. >> >> But with all this I think we can make the dma_buf_write_lock lock 100% >> like the old per-buffer lock for everyone. And execbuf could switch over >> to dma_buf_read_lock for shared buffers. Bonus points when the gpu context >> just keeps track of a list of shared vm used by buffers in that context >> ... >> >> That way we could make vm fastpath locking a la amdgpu opt-in, while >> keeping everyone else on the per-object locking juices. >> >> Thoughts? At least to me that sounds like a plan. > One thing I just realized, which is nasty: The full (write) lock needs > ww_acquire_ctx with this, because it needs to take a bunch of locks. > Rolling that out everywhere is going to be nasty. Why? Take a single write lock shouldn't be different to taking a single ww_mutex, or am I missing something? > I guess though we could do a fallback and have a locally created > ww_acquire_ctx if there's none passed in, with backoff entirely > implemented within dma_resv_lock. How should that work? As far as I understand it the ww_acquire_ctx must be kept existing until after the last of the locks it was used with is unlocked. Or do I see this incorrectly? > -Daniel > >> Cheers, Daniel >> >> PS: Of course the write lock for these buffers is going to be terrible, so >> every time you need to update fences for implicit sync on shared buffer >> (well write fence at least) it's going to suck. We probably also want a >> read_to_write_upgrade function, which also can be done easily with >> ww_mutex magic. I'm thinking that we probably sole want a read_to_write upgrade function. Regards, Christian. >> -- >> Daniel Vetter >> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation >>