From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MrNon0lGnglxIN8VWpSVLYl0iyX5lVGFnN+bc4dxU2Y=; b=U8kVWLDKeTkSf5CBZRmglU5DWRXpXcxVBrg/IGdBUNKbH4DEggV7t0zn5b8cfZgFUC AtRzPw/3mm4Cw2GZFzX29/2C8inOa4TgZu8t6weolFFCVPcniu0qNB18T6pVOe7B086L DEcTPL9EXdPRY5tKUneNoo5kI5B/1EHVXz4uVDXJTDuQHhEKOaOgHNlnlqi6niVnS/ei W9ILeABDlnY6vvOh/AMlNIBo8EP5nC8M2UZne3gZ9BCRC9iLxbKO716r7m5lCRheTJSq nOjfmM0fHhufJVrRULOkanZ6eZaHDQflCIbM2Dc4Ovv5avtkl4y8vXnXreMssbOwzCYz IpZA== References: <12af8541-3113-341d-6b7f-d7393203368f@gmail.com> <1099419D-7CC7-448C-84B1-5C35D75F7A03@msweet.org> <3e467a3bd51a7bc8083e6f06532db4ad@suse.de> From: Till Kamppeter Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 19:47:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e467a3bd51a7bc8083e6f06532db4ad@suse.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Printing-architecture] Automatic printer setup with Printer Applications List-Id: Printing architecture under linux List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Johannes Meixner , printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org, Michael Sweet , Jai Luthra , Zdenek Dohnal On 24/02/2021 15:46, Johannes Meixner wrote: > > I like to add that in enterprise environments > automated printer setup is almost never needed. > Yes, that is true. All about automatic print queue creation with Printer Applications is for end-user-oriented desktop distros. > So nowadays any further efforts for automated printer setup > could be mostly a waste of time - time that could be better > spend elsewhere (even if that is just more time for beer ;-) > > The more I think about it the more I like the idea > to deprectate all printer setup tools and related stuff > except what CUPS itself provides. > > For the exceptional cases only documentation should be sufficient > like "when you have 'ACME SpecialPrinter XL' do this and that". > Yes, I am also in favor of deprecating the classic printer setup tool. Instead, we need the following: 1. A local/network service manager (could be an item of GNOME Control Center): Take avahi-discover. It lists a lot of services, local (Avahi 0.8.x+) and network services, sorted by network interface, then by service type. The tool I have in mind should list them in a user-friendly way, so that one sees for example a Printer Application, shows some property info like printing/scanning/faxout, button to open web interface, button to open IPP System Service status/config panel, list of printers (and scanners) with properties like size class (A4, A3, larger, smaller, ...), color/gray, duplex, ... Also useful entries for services which are no Printer Applications (for example your router, no need to know its IP, you have a button for its web interface now). All info needed by this tool comes from DNS-SD (Avahi on Linux). 2. A "driver finder": A tool which helps you to find the correct Printer Application if you have Acme LaserStar 1000+ and this is not a driverless printer. It more or less guides the user through the scheme of Michael's posting in this thread. Till