From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, brauner@kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
timmurray@google.com, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 09:41:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dfb0e367-894e-4230-98f2-8e5bc554d293@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpEGCvuaQ43W4_bPjpoiYgmEspxV78-U4dkA2bcjfxCyFA@mail.gmail.com>
On 4/24/26 00:36, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 2:50 AM David Hildenbrand (Arm)
> <david@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/23/26 09:50, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> This is a very creative/disruptive way to do a memory reclaim. From a
>>> user POV I would much rather see clean page cache reclaimed before my
>>> apps start to disappear. But this is obviously your call and your users
>>> that will care.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I still maintain my position. I do not think it is a good
>>> idea to drop clean page cache as you do not know whether there are other
>>> users.
>
> I'm very much familiar with these issues in Android and really want to
> find a good solution for them. IIUC, this RFC tries to address 2
> things at once:
> 1. handling clean private page cache when reaping memory of a kill victim;
> 2. addressing a race between kill() and process_release() when
> process_release() can't happen before the kill() but if it happens too
> late after the victim passed its exit_mm() then process_release()
> fails to find the mm to reap. This defeats the purpose of
> process_release() call because the actual memory (released by
> exit_mmap()) might not yet be free and a successful process_release()
> would be very beneficial.
>
> I see these two as separate issues and I'm not sure combining them
> into a single discussion is a good idea.
>
>>
>> IIRC, Johannes raised in the past the we cannot predict the future.
>>
>> For example, if an app gets OOM-killed, wouldn't we usually try restarting it,
>> re-consuming the clean pagecache pages we would be evicting here?
>
> Sure, we can't predict which app the user will use next, so when
> killing we usually kill the least recently used one. That's a
> reasonable strategy in most cases.
That makes sense. As long as other apps you open next won't need the same
libraries etc that you just evicted.
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-24 7:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-13 22:39 [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 1/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedite clean file folio reclaim via mmu_gather Minchan Kim
2026-04-14 7:45 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:21 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 2/3] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement for exclusive file folios Minchan Kim
2026-04-14 7:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:22 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag Minchan Kim
2026-04-16 9:13 ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-17 6:30 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17 7:04 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:47 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23 7:17 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23 23:43 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24 7:38 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-14 6:57 ` [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Michal Hocko
2026-04-14 20:00 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-15 7:38 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-15 23:26 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-16 6:54 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-17 6:20 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17 7:11 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:53 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23 7:50 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23 9:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 22:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-24 0:08 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24 7:40 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-24 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-04-27 16:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-23 23:58 ` Minchan Kim
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