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From: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 07/37] KVM: Introduce KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 07:36:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <diqzqzuse58c.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPpEPZ4YfrRHIkal@google.com>

Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, Ackerley Tng wrote:
>> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, Ackerley Tng wrote:
>> >> Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> Found another issue with KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2.
>> >> 
>> >> KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 was defined to do the same thing as
>> >> KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES, but that's wrong since
>> >> KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 should indicate the presence of
>> >> KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 and struct kvm_memory_attributes2.
>> >
>> > No?  If no attributes are supported, whether or not KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2
>> > exists is largely irrelevant.
>> 
>> That's true.
>> 
>> > We can even provide the same -ENOTTY errno by
>> > checking that _any_ attributes are supported, i.e. so that doing
>> > KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 on KVM without any support whatsoever fails in the
>> > same way that KVM with code support but no attributes fails.
>> 
>> IIUC KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES doesn't fail with -ENOTTY now when there
>> are no valid attributes.
>> 
>> Even if there's no valid attributes (as in
>> kvm_supported_mem_attributes() returns 0), it's possible to call
>> KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES with .attributes set to 0, which will be a
>> no-op, but will return 0.
>> 
>> I think this is kind of correct behavior since .attributes = 0 is
>> actually a valid expression for "I want this range to be shared", and
>> for a VM that doesn't support private memory, it's a valid expression.
>> 
>> 
>> The other way that there are "no attributes" would be if there are no
>> /VM/ attributes, in which case KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES, sent to as a
>> vm ioctl, will return -ENOTTY.
>
> Ya, this is what I was trying to say with "_any_ attributes are supported".  I.e.
> by "any" I meant "any attributes in KVM for VMs vs. gmems", not "any attributes
> for this specific VM/gmem instance".
>
>> 
>> [...snip...]
>> 

I've been thinking more about this:

  #ifdef CONFIG_KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES
  	case KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2:
  	case KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES:
  		if (!vm_memory_attributes)
  			return 0;
  
  		return kvm_supported_mem_attributes(kvm);
  #endif

And the purpose of adding KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 is that
KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 tells userspace that
KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 is available iff there are valid
attributes.

(So there's still a purpose)

Without valid attributes, userspace can't tell if it should use
KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES or the 2 version.

I also added KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES, which tells
userspace the valid attributes when calling KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2
on a guest_memfd:

  #ifdef CONFIG_KVM_GUEST_MEMFD
  	case KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD:
  		return 1;
  	case KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_FLAGS:
  		return kvm_gmem_get_supported_flags(kvm);
  	case KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES:
  		if (vm_memory_attributes)
  			return 0;
  
  		return kvm_supported_mem_attributes(kvm);
  #endif
  
So to set memory attributes, userspace should

  if (kvm_check_cap(KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES) > 0)
	use KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 with guest_memfd
  else if (kvm_check_cap(KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2) > 0)
        use KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 with VM fd
  else if (kvm_check_cap(KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES) > 0)
	use KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES with VM fd
  else
	can't set memory attributes

Something like that?


In selftests there's this, when KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 was
introduced:

  #define TEST_REQUIRE_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2()			\
	__TEST_REQUIRE(kvm_has_cap(KVM_CAP_USER_MEMORY2),	\
		       "KVM selftests now require KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 (introduced in v6.8)")

But looks like there's no direct equivalent for the introduction of
KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2?

The closest would be to add a TEST_REQUIRE_VALID_ATTRIBUTES() which
checks KVM_CAP_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 or
KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES before making the vm or
guest_memfd ioctl respsectively.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-17 20:11 [RFC PATCH v1 00/37] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce per-gmem attributes, use to guard user mappings Ackerley Tng
2025-10-27 13:27   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-12  8:58   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:07     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-19  7:58   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 17:50     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/37] KVM: Rename KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/37] KVM: Enumerate support for PRIVATE memory iff kvm_arch_has_private_mem is defined Ackerley Tng
2025-11-13  1:42   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/37] KVM: Stub in ability to disable per-VM memory attribute tracking Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Wire up kvm_get_memory_attributes() to per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15 11:08   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-01-28 21:47     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-29  0:37       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-29  1:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-29 11:10             ` Quentin Perret
2026-01-29 13:42               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-29 14:36                 ` Quentin Perret
2026-02-03  1:07             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-02-03 18:13               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-03  9:56           ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-03 18:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-04  4:43               ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-04 12:47                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-05  7:04                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_populate() to use gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2025-11-10 10:01   ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-15  0:52     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/37] KVM: Introduce KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2025-10-22 15:21   ` Steven Price
2025-10-22 16:51     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-22 22:45       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-22 23:30         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-23 14:01           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-23 15:05             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-24 14:36               ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2025-10-24 15:11                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-24 16:41                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-24 17:45                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-27 12:48                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Don't set FGP_ACCESSED when getting folios Ackerley Tng
2025-10-27 13:39   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Skip LRU for guest_memfd folios Ackerley Tng
2025-10-27 13:56   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 23:46     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-20  2:15   ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Enable INIT_SHARED on guest_memfd for x86 Coco VMs Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Add support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng
2025-11-04  9:25   ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-04 15:29     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-11-15  0:46     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/37] KVM: Move KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES config definition to x86 Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/37] KVM: Let userspace disable per-VM mem attributes, enable per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/37] KVM: selftests: Create gmem fd before "regular" fd when adding memslot Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/37] KVM: selftests: Rename guest_memfd{,_offset} to gmem_{fd,offset} Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/37] KVM: selftests: Add support for mmap() on guest_memfd in core library Ackerley Tng
2025-10-24 16:48   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-24 18:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-27 12:51       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/37] KVM: selftests: Update framework to use KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/37] KVM: selftests: Add helpers for calling ioctls on guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test basic single-page conversion flow Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test conversion flow when INIT_SHARED Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test indexing in guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test conversion before allocation Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Convert with allocated folios in different layouts Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test precision of conversion Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test that truncation does not change shared/private status Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test that shared/private status is consistent across processes Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 23:33   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/37] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd: Test conversion with elevated page refcount Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/37] KVM: selftests: Reset shared memory after hole-punching Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/37] KVM: selftests: Add selftests global for guest memory attributes capability Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/37] KVM: selftests: Provide function to look up guest_memfd details from gpa Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 31/37] KVM: selftests: Provide common function to set memory attributes Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 32/37] KVM: selftests: Check fd/flags provided to mmap() when setting up memslot Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 33/37] KVM: selftests: Make TEST_EXPECT_SIGBUS thread-safe Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 34/37] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap() guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 35/37] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 36/37] KVM: selftests: Update pre-fault test to work with per-guest_memfd attributes Ackerley Tng
2025-10-17 20:12 ` [RFC PATCH v1 37/37] KVM: selftests: Update private memory exits test work with per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng

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