From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.manjaro.org (mail.manjaro.org [116.203.91.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47EBA7FBD2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 14:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=116.203.91.91 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1716473268; cv=none; b=VgmxFo4K0ZR32kHcHT8+ykmHrxK7tfL8wrkaxgF/lC4CZyR9Ht9A8YdpDvjxgdCWN3RiLl9g4Kr5cFTQm6VCNjGRCUn+5GeiCyQFsac8hD3eaFuxELzVbGenn0JtFmzixzBjE1mIuSU0XfioFb+qa2NzFLG9NuUoMNZyyKV+KZI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1716473268; c=relaxed/simple; bh=P92TqYN0qzb+wycilftXLJoAZQAbl7ATpmeCZhQZKyw=; h=MIME-Version:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Message-ID:Content-Type; b=FodSmS0e9IPsv9vtFbdE1S7G6ccj7yQM/WsJI4dJdFii8rX6K3Jm9erraciKNE5fOoT3M0b4JEsKiEO9+No/oecgn0GpDiSpj9paiKqnJQaKKT6L3LITmTCZyo4gNbs5g6xPD7G8yTzR9NzJIOlhaieN7KiPsDDe8ZlUZKqCp/8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=manjaro.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=manjaro.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=manjaro.org header.i=@manjaro.org header.b=dXrxHJyE; arc=none smtp.client-ip=116.203.91.91 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=manjaro.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=manjaro.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=manjaro.org header.i=@manjaro.org header.b="dXrxHJyE" Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=manjaro.org; s=2021; t=1716473264; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=BEgsPdc6Yj72o6OWvhw9V9L6Kl8yHzQUTQKLlnq82UY=; b=dXrxHJyEWRLL+UEhpZU9L6rVUJcjFM+3fL+yibhahb0Yl17DahU0QMY+2T0ZE9bSBBeQj2 K3CoS2jt23IFnsulo4BdhzwgQ6QwPEdaZcqIjyyWE7hbWZYs1jBDWOZaHgnGE8XE+rRbvt EOafpzB+mfaEFRAu6zm5KsXML8Jb/Yz0FW+m4f3ArFZngh1QcTLCiYXTNYtjPvF2W+n7+N xEnJ/kVlsPPbnv63q4dO0400NSsjJ0tf2rzJ48zl42zPSkP2jRaiZtW2gGfiXbeF+H9c/G 11lAWrEheiQuEaFhg7mtxDn6HZsZXzyvEKGCpXofA25KGT7earnFWNT7RND5fg== Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 16:07:44 +0200 From: Dragan Simic To: Gedalya Cc: Sirius , netdev@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: iproute2: color output should assume dark background In-Reply-To: <7cfcca05-95d0-4be0-9b50-ec77bf3e766c@gedalya.net> References: <173e0ec8-583a-4d5a-931f-81d08e43fe2b@gedalya.net> <96b17bae-47f7-4b2d-8874-7fb89ecc052a@gedalya.net> <449db665-0285-4283-972f-1b6d5e6e71a1@gedalya.net> <7d67d9e72974472cc61dba6d8bdaf79a@manjaro.org> <7cfcca05-95d0-4be0-9b50-ec77bf3e766c@gedalya.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: dsimic@manjaro.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: ORIGINATING; auth=pass smtp.auth=dsimic@manjaro.org smtp.mailfrom=dsimic@manjaro.org On 2024-05-23 15:50, Gedalya wrote: > On 5/23/24 9:23 PM, Dragan Simic wrote: >>> And what about linux virtual terminals (a.k.a non-graphical >>> consoles)? >> >> In my 25+ years of Linux experience, I've never seen one with a >> background >> color other than black. > > You kind of missed my question: Do we make a new rule where a > correctly set COLORFGBG is mandatory for linux vt? > > That's what I meant. The fact that both vt and graphical terminal > emulators tend to be dark is another point. > > My point is you can't rely on COLORFGBG. You can only use it if/when > set. > > A reasonable default is needed. I think it would be best to start a gargantuan quest for having COLORFGBG set properly for all kinds of different terminal emulators. Including the Linux virtual console, which may come last.