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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Razvan Cojocaru <rcojocaru@bitdefender.com>
Cc: paul.durrant@citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xen.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] x86/emulate: implement hvmemul_cmpxchg() with an actual CMPXCHG
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:25:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f2dbe771-7d45-e0f7-eef2-65ef269933a9@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58DA510A0200007800148F6F@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 28/03/17 11:03, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 28.03.17 at 11:14, <rcojocaru@bitdefender.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure that the RETRY model is what the guest OS expects. AFAIK, a
>> failed CMPXCHG should happen just once, with the proper registers and ZF
>> set. The guest surely expects neither that the instruction resume until
>> it succeeds, nor that some hidden loop goes on for an undeterminate
>> ammount of time until a CMPXCHG succeeds.
> The guest doesn't observe the CMPXCHG failing - RETRY leads to
> the instruction being restarted instead of completed.

And this probably is the root of the problem.  CMPXCHG on a contended
location should be observed to fail from the guests point of view.

>
> There is a severe downside to MMIO accesses with this model
> though: Other than for RAM, we shouldn't be reading (and even
> less so writing) the memory location more than once.

With MMIO, the hardware analogy is sending a single PCIe transaction
with the atomic flag set.

However, atomic options on non-RAM locations tend not to actually be
atomic on real hardware anyway, so so-long as we don't make multiple
reads/writes, the lack of atomicity won't be a problem in practice.

>
>> The picture is further complicated by the two-part handling of
>> instructions in x86_emulate(). For example, for CMPXCHG we have:
>> [...]
>> I now see that this is why using a spinlock only around the writeback
>> part did not solve the issue: both the compare part and the writeback
>> part need to be part of the same atomic operation - lock needs to be
>> aquired before the cmp / ZF part.
> No exactly: RMW insns require the lock to be acquired ahead of
> the memory read, and dropped after the memory write.
>
>> Opinions and suggestions are appreciated. If I'm not mistaken, it looks
>> like the smp_lock design is the better solution to the problem.
> Andrew has told me that the re-work of how we do memory accesses
> in the emulator is pretty high on his priority list now. Whether we'd
> want to introduce an interim solution therefore depends on the time
> scale to possibly reach the only ultimately correct solution (no longer
> acting on intermediate copies of the data coming from guest memory,
> which is only correct for plain reads and plain writes).

This re-enforces my opinion that mapping the destination and pointing a
stub at the mapping is the only viable option.

~Andrew

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-28 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-24 13:24 [PATCH RFC] x86/emulate: implement hvmemul_cmpxchg() with an actual CMPXCHG Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-28  9:14 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-28 10:03   ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-28 10:25     ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2017-03-28 10:44       ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-29  5:59       ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-29  8:14         ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-28 10:27     ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-28 10:47       ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-28 10:50         ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-28 11:32           ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-29 13:55           ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-29 14:00             ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-29 15:04               ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-29 15:49                 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-30 12:05                   ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-30 12:25                     ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-30 12:56                     ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-30 14:08                       ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-30 14:21                         ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-30 15:05                           ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-30 15:47                             ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-31  6:17                               ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-31  7:34                                 ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-31  9:56                                   ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-31 14:46                                     ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-31 15:01                                       ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-03-31 15:04                                         ` Jan Beulich
2017-04-01 16:56                                           ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-03 10:23                                             ` Jan Beulich
2017-04-03 18:20                                             ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-03 18:36                                               ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-04  9:07                                                 ` Jan Beulich
2017-04-04 12:01                                                   ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-08 22:15                                                 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-09 11:03                                                   ` Razvan Cojocaru
2017-04-10 10:18                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2017-03-29 14:12             ` Razvan Cojocaru

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