From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Hti97-00043N-84 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:44:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hti94-00042w-B9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:44:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hti92-00042c-1x for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:44:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hti91-00042Z-SG for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:44:39 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hti91-0000fb-FZ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 06:44:39 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hti8o-0003T5-E2 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:44:26 +0200 Received: from cable-87-78-192-133.netcologne.de ([87.78.192.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:44:26 +0200 Received: from patrick by cable-87-78-192-133.netcologne.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:44:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: grub-devel@gnu.org From: Patrick Georgi Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:45:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <10779735.post@talk.nabble.com> <20070524160348.GA13048@aragorn> <20070525151103.GA12477@wolff.to> <20070530131841.GB4771@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cable-87-78-192-133.netcologne.de User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070411) In-Reply-To: <20070530131841.GB4771@aragorn> Sender: news X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: TPM chip and Grub bootloader X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:44:43 -0000 Robert Millan schrieb: > IOW, no matter who the keys belong to, the problem is there's a component in > the hardware I paid for that is hostile to me, which contains keys that I > cannot retrieve (good, because of security), and refuses to use the keys on > anything I want it to (bad, because it's inherently an abusive tool). As far as I know, this mechanism doesn't prevent you from creating another root. (or just deleting the old one) Not to speak of that it isn't (again afaik) in use or even implemented yet - though I'm unsure about that last part (implementation), as I didn't look too deep into the mud created by those in the media industry that tried to coerce the TCG into implementing their wet dream of an ultimately locked down consumer world. Patrick Georgi