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From: Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>
To: Esko Mobius <echoowall@gmail.com>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@kernel.org>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
	regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 2/2] Revert "net: advertise TCP MSS from the configured MTU, not the learned PMTU"
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 21:44:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f5c6c08f-2978-4c45-b8e3-91f0509b459f@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D438C59D-09D4-4008-9240-18DA0ABBDCEA@gmail.com>


On 10/27/26 9:12 PM, Esko Mobius wrote:
> On 10/27/26 1:45 PM, Jiayuan Chen wrote:
>> This precondition does all the work. The server only learns the PMTU
>> when it sends a full-size segment itself. [...]
>>
>> Please re-run the 6.12.107 case without seeding the PMTU.
> You are right. Without seeding, 6.12.107 stalls the same way:
>
>    kernel        PMTU seeded   SYN-ACK MSS   1 MB upload
>    6.12.107      no            1460          stalls
>    6.12.107      yes (ping)    1416          OK
>
> My reproducer took a shortcut there. What it should have modelled is
> our production setup, which is the masquerading relay you describe:
> the clients share the relay's address, so ordinary downloads by other
> clients keep the server's PMTU entry fresh. Modelling that directly,
> with no artificial seeding (cliA downloads 1 MB, then cliB, behind a
> firewall dropping frag-needed, uploads 1 MB through the same relay):
>
>    kernel        SYN-ACK MSS to cliB   cliB upload
>    6.12.107      1416                  OK
>    6.12.111      1460                  stalls


Thanks Esko for the testing, and Eric for the explanation. Agreed.


> So I agree it was never a designed mechanism, it is the side effect
> Eric describes. We have since added MSS clamping on our relays.
>
> If it helps, I can send a v2 that describes the masquerading case
> instead of the seeded one in the changelog. And I am happy to test
> the net-next follow-up on this setup.


No need for a v2 from my side, I just wanted to confirm the actual scenario.

I saw your report earlier but was swamped and could not get to it in 
time, sorry about that.


Reviewed-by: Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>

>
> Thanks,
> Esko

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-26  7:23 [PATCH net 0/2] Revert advertising the TCP MSS from the configured MTU Esko Mobius
2026-10-26  7:23 ` Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-26  7:23 ` [PATCH net 1/2] Revert "selftests: net: packetdrill: add tests for advertised MSS with PMTU exceptions" Esko Mobius
2026-10-26  7:23   ` Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-27 11:44   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-10-26  7:23 ` [PATCH net 2/2] Revert "net: advertise TCP MSS from the configured MTU, not the learned PMTU" Esko Mobius
2026-10-26  7:23   ` Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-27 12:45   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-10-27 13:02     ` Eric Dumazet
2026-10-27 13:12       ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-27 13:44         ` Jiayuan Chen [this message]
2026-10-27 23:18   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-28  3:38     ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-28 22:52       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-29 10:18   ` David Laight
2026-10-29 10:21     ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-29 11:20       ` David Laight
2026-10-29 12:36         ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-26 13:28 ` [PATCH net 0/2] Revert advertising the TCP MSS from the configured MTU Eric Dumazet
2026-10-28 23:10 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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