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From: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
To: Greg Ungerer <gerg@kernel.org>
Cc: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	 port-m68k <port-m68k@netbsd.org>,
	debian-68k <debian-68k@lists.debian.org>,
	 linux-m68k <linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 08:29:43 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fc9dd771-b010-e593-d8e4-2cdad57722ed@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38c670cc-6169-4720-a883-c34df26e1a4f@kernel.org>


On Wed, 18 Jun 2025, Greg Ungerer wrote:

> 
> > It's not really necessary to enforce this on Coldfire. However, since 
> > buildroot builds completely from source, it wouldn't even be a problem 
> > to change the alignment there as well.
> 
> Yes, that is totally right in my experience. Certainly in my ColdFire 
> work it is pretty much always a build-everything approach via buildroot 
> or similar. I wouldn't think an ABI change would actually worry too many 
> ColdFire uses, they don't use distributions like debian on them. (I 
> would love to hear from anyone who does!).
> 

That may work for end-users with a vendor BSP. But upstream developers 
need to be able to swap components. In general, when debugging I often 
have to run old binaries to find out whether I'm dealing with a deeper 
regression or not. Also, there is the bisection problem. It's not just a 
couple of distros who get to pay for an ABI break. It's the entire 
ecosystem.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-18 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-26 15:05 Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:16 ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:23   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:48     ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:25 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-05-26 18:50   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:24 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:39   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:50     ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:56       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  7:16         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-05  7:36           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  8:49             ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-05 10:33               ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-06  7:01                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-07  9:44                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-06 10:20             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-07  9:44               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07  9:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 10:02                   ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 11:11                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 12:55                       ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 13:57                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:53                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:50                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 14:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 14:54                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:03                         ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:19                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:20                             ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:23                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:37                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:51                                   ` John Klos
2025-06-07 16:55                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 18:43                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-07 21:43                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 23:06                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-10 11:16                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:31                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08  1:10                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08 11:47                   ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-10 11:20                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-10 11:18                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:32                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-10 11:26                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:46                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-11  3:04                     ` Stan Johnson
2025-06-11  7:44                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 15:32                         ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-11 15:49                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 14:54                             ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13  1:36                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 10:56                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 11:12                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  0:58                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:22                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:21                                 ` John Klos
2025-06-13 13:33                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 20:10                                 ` Debian boot/login time Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  1:13                                 ` Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k Finn Thain
2025-06-12  1:54                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  7:18                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 10:00                             ` Jason Thorpe
     [not found]                           ` <CABq5eXH8S9MVoRi5znU+u7EJPmaRA+8yOyd-QKBJMQa10UoAmw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-06-12  7:27                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12  8:19                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:15                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:06                                   ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  8:25                               ` Administrator @ R·V·E
2025-06-12 13:06                                 ` Christian Groessler
2025-06-13 11:16                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:54                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 12:21                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 12:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 15:39                                         ` Preliminary results - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-22 22:13                                           ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-23  6:34                                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-23  7:13                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-01-06 13:34                                           ` Kolbjørn Barmen
2026-01-06 13:40                                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2026-01-06 14:23                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2026-01-06 15:37                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-01-06 19:31                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-01-07  8:19                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-01-07 20:45                                                     ` Finn Thain
2026-02-02 10:53                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-01-06 21:30                                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2026-02-11 10:41                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-03-02 10:11                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 11:55                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:00                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:09                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:23                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:30                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:51                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:00                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:34                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  9:26                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:48                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:01                             ` ALeX Kazik
2025-06-14  1:46                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 14:15                             ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 14:53                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 15:24                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-14  7:21                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  1:42                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  8:13                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:30                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  7:31                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:50                                             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:16                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:36                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18  9:49                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:56                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 10:04                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 10:51                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 12:21                                                         ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 12:27                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:54                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 12:57                                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:59                                                               ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 22:29                                                           ` Finn Thain [this message]
2025-06-19  0:18                                                             ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19  5:31                                                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19  5:56                                                                 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19 15:57                                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-18 22:17                                                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  6:33                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  7:39                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:00                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:14                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:32                                             ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:45                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  9:07                                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:00                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:10                                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:15                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:26                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:32                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:45                                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 10:07                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 10:51                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:01                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:05                                                       ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:10                                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 14:44                                                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 14:43                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 15:17                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:19                                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:15                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 22:16                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 19:29                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  7:51                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 10:39                                     ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 11:20                                       ` John Klos
2025-06-15  8:05                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:32                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:42                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:29                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 16:26                   ` David Brownlee
2025-06-16  6:39                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

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