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From: "Chuck Lever" <cel@kernel.org>
To: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Sabrina Dubroca" <sd@queasysnail.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 1/6] net/tls: Bound consecutive no-data records in tls_sw_read_sock()
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 23:17:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdd3e54d-2eb6-468c-9877-adc0809d64b2@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260728184712.09cc50f4@kernel.org>



On Tue, Jul 28, 2026, at 9:47 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 10:27:55 -0400 Chuck Lever wrote:
>> A record that delivers no payload -- an empty TLS 1.3 data record
>> today, a control record once read_sock_rectype() lands -- leaves
>> tls_sw_read_sock() in its loop without advancing the caller's read
>> descriptor. A peer that streams such records keeps the receive loop
>> running, and the socket lock held, for as long as the records
>> arrive.
>> 
>> Cap the number of consecutive no-data records consumed per call. The
>> count resets on any record that delivers bytes, so a normal stream
>> is unaffected; a peer supplying only empty records is bounded to
>> TLS_RX_NODATA_LIMIT iterations before the call returns 0. read_sock
>> consumers treat that as "no progress, re-poll" rather than EOF, so
>> the connection stays up and makes progress once real data arrives.
>> 
>> Only tls_sw_read_sock() needs this cap. Its consumers drive the receive
>> loop from kernel context -- a work item or service thread holding the
>> socket lock across the whole call with no return to userspace -- so an
>> unbounded empty-record stream keeps that context and the lock pinned
>> for as long as the flood lasts. The cap supplies the return boundary
>> that a system call would otherwise provide. tls_sw_splice_read()
>> and tls_sw_recvmsg() already have one: they run in the calling task's
>> context, reschedule while draining the socket backlog (cond_resched()
>> in __release_sock()), and drop the socket lock when the call returns. A
>> flood there costs the caller only its own scheduler time, so the cap
>> would add nothing.
>
> Is this alluding to PREEMPT_NONE (which for practical purposes is 
> no longer a thing AFAIU)?

No. The cond_resched() reference was a bad way to make the point.

What the bound protects is the calling NFSD thread. A client can
open multiple connections that all send a continuous stream of empty
TLS records, as a denial of service attack. The mechanism added
here is an escape hatch for consumers.

This patch has already moved to a prerequisite series, intended for
“net” instead of “net-next” at Sabrina’s request.

https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260726-tls-follow-on-v1-0-99bf4cc1c729@kernel.org

-- 
Chuck Lever

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29  3:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 14:27 [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/6] net/tls: Bound consecutive no-data records in tls_sw_read_sock() Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:11   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-23 13:24     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 14:23       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-23 14:29         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 22:05           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  3:17     ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:51   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:57     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:30       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:51         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29 12:23           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29 13:13             ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/6] tls: Implement read_sock_rectype for kTLS software path Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/6] selftests/tls: Add tests for data/control record interleaving Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/6] SUNRPC: Use read_sock_rectype for svcsock TCP receives Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:28 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/6] SUNRPC: Remove sock_recvmsg path from " Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:19 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:46   ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  1:55     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:16       ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:24         ` Jakub Kicinski

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