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From: ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev
To: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: ivgorbunov@me.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, apopple@nvidia.com,
	artem.kuzin@huawei.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	david@kernel.org, foxido@foxido.dev, harry.yoo@oracle.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	torvalds@linuxfoundation.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
	willy@infradead.org, yuzhao@google.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	pfalcato@suse.de, kirill@shutemov.name
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2026 18:19:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe53d9a75f776a5e002a3375d086c5714f558547@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260608154734.8e4115fde4e2e14a3b6892fb@linux-foundation.org>

>
> >
> > This patch optimizes small file read performance and overall folio refcount
> >  scalability by refactoring page_ref_add_unless [core of folio_try_get].
> >  This is alternative approach to previous attempts to fix small read
> >  performance by avoiding refcount bumps [1][2].
> >
> Thanks. Nice numbers.
>
> AI review had some things to say:
>  https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/df26082871b4c65b2bd38d409026237c08572836@linux.dev

Among some minor issues, it also pointed out a funny ABA race:

```
T1/T2 work with pages of type X.
T3 works with pages of type Y.

T1: page_dec_and_test()
T1: -> sub refcount [1 -> 0]
T1: -> *interrupted* (very bad hypervisor, for example)

T2: optimistic get() [0 -> 1]
T2: put page back [1 -> 0]
T2: calls dtor for type X, returns into the allocator

T3: receives page of type Y, sets refcount to 1
T3: page_dec_and_test()
T3: -> sub refcount [1 -> 0]

*T1 resumes execution*

T1: -> CAS [0->LOCKED]
T1: BUG: calls dtor of type X on page of type Y
```

While this race seems unrealistic to me because of the full allocator
cycle between the two atomic operations, I wasn't able to prove it at
the first attempt. Maybe there is some synchronization in allocator
that forbids at least X != Y, or something.

I'll try to research fixes/proofs a little bit more, but I am afraid
that unless someone wise with mm/ knowledge comes up with some fact that
I missed, this patch indeed has a major (but unrealistic) flaw.

--
Sorry for the delay, grass was more touchable than ever
Ilya Gladyshev


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-20 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-08 21:53 [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-08 21:54 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] mm: drop page refcount zero state semantics ilya.gladyshev
2026-06-08 21:54 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-08 22:47 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-06-09 10:28   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-09 19:02   ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-09 21:02     ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-20 18:19   ` ilya.gladyshev [this message]
2026-06-21  1:40     ` Zi Yan
2026-06-21  4:46     ` Linus Torvalds

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