From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JFVpa-0002Ca-KV for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:34:58 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JFVpT-0005fi-G2 for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:34:51 +0000 Received: from ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de ([62.143.227.114]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:34:51 +0000 Received: from no2spam by ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:34:51 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org From: Rolf Leggewie Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:34:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <413710907.20080117131841@gmail.com> <478F4876.9030405@student.utwente.nl> <1012527691.20080117145250@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) In-Reply-To: <1012527691.20080117145250@gmail.com> Sender: news Subject: Re: [oe-commits] org.oe.dev apm: turn off wifi cards before suspend so they are fully reloaded upon resume. closes 3664. X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:34:59 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, thank you for pointing out the problem and a template solution towards the end of your initial rant as well. In fact I am already working on moving the mid-term fix into a separate package to provide an even less intrusive mid-term fix -> http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/wifi-suspend.patch But... Paul Sokolovsky schrieb: > and of course they need to be supported still, and right now. The question > is how that is done - if it comes mixed into one big mess ^^^^ > I don't appreciate someone moving in the opposite direction just to solve on-spot problem. OE is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > powerful environment allowing to solve make focused, maintainable and > reusable changes - even if they're workarounds, and people should > learn to use them. And I don't appreciate after I have * fixed a real usability issue which likely strongly influences the perception of OE-derived distros * consulted with a *LOT* of people on IRC and in the bug tracker over several days * have put quite some time into finding an acceptable solution for everyone that someone comes around who had previously been quiet on this and then calls my work a "mess" and generally finds very unappreciative words for what I've done and the time I've spent. Mickey's comment # I agree. The issue to fix is worthwile, but I would prefer seperate # packaging as well. sounds quite different, don't you agree? FOSS is an incremental process. I am willing to get this not only right for me, but to everyone's satisfaction. But I kindly want to ask you to consider that it is not only what you say but also how you say it. PS: I don't intend to and hope I did not start another flame war, but this is important to me.