From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKGLP-0000uc-Ec for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:03:28 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JKGLR-000423-Me for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:03:29 +0000 Received: from ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de ([62.143.227.114]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:03:29 +0000 Received: from no2spam by ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:03:29 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org From: Rolf Leggewie Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-62-143-227-114.1411n-cud12k-01.ish.de User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) Sender: news Subject: RFC: aggressive usurpation of bugs.oe.net by Angstrom X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:03:29 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have witnessed some aggressive usurpation of the bug-tracker by Angstrom devs recently, especially concerning meta-bugs. This has to some extent brought back the bickering we all try to avoid. I want to discuss this with you but cannot offer an immediate solution. I think the whole structure needs some reconsideration to make sure that different distributions don't step on each other's toes or one distribution claims the BTS all for itself. The information in the bug tracker is there for all to share and make OE better. The problem - which I have been considering for almost a year now - stems from the fact that OE vs. distribution vs. on-device is not clearly distinguished. bugzilla also does not allow marking two entries for field X. * there are issues at time of compilation, but they can be distro-specific, host-specific, foo-specific or generic * there are issues on-device and they can be device-specific, distro-specific, foo-specific or generic * It is also possible that one bug exists in A* 2007 and Sharp ROM, but not in A* 2008. Currently, this is impossible to mark correctly. We don't clearly distinguish and our field labels reflect that, making it hard for people to carve out the bugs that affect them as well as not step on one another when trying to resolve the problem for their specific distro. launchpad for example does this much better, but generally sucks even more with regards to fields and searchability. The problem partly stems from the fact that bugzilla is usually not used in a cross-compile environment (what does the Hardware field mean?, what does OS mean?). We have tried to work around this with meta-bugs in the past but it becomes increasingly difficult. So much for the status quo. I think we eventually will need to rework the labels and fields and communicate their meaning more clearly, but I cannot present "the" solution yet. Suggestions and discussion welcome. Regards Rolf