From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LV56B-0000hJ-TN for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:21:49 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LV54Z-0005dn-KU for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:19:21 +0000 Received: from s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.145.118.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:19:19 +0000 Received: from k.kooi by s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:19:19 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org From: Koen Kooi Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200901230131.09511.mickey@vanille-media.de> <87wscmn8ne.fsf@neumann.lab.ossystems.com.br> <49799C30.90508@epfl.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090131 Shredder/3.0b2pre In-Reply-To: Sender: news Subject: Re: Mailinglists, was: Re: Bugtracker Status X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:22:53 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 23-01-09 12:06, Koen Kooi wrote: > On 23-01-09 11:30, Valentin Longchamp wrote: >> Otavio Salvador wrote: >>> I propose to change the workflow a bit (and reuse few points you've >>> proposed): >>> >>> 1. stop using bugtracker to handle patches >>> 2. use mailing list to handle patches (comments bellow) >>> 3. drop autobuilder bug reporting (comments bellow) >>> >>> Besides, I have no objection about your points 2.2 and 2.3 but I'm too >>> new in the OE environment to comment about them so let me comment >>> about my points: >>> >>> 1 and 2: >>> >>> We're trying to get more people to review the changes to be done in >>> OE dev tree and bugzilla UI is horrible and difficult to use (at >>> least for me). Most people ends up redoing someone else patch since >>> we don't watch carefully the bugtrack. >>> >>> I propose we move to mailing list reviewing process mostly like Linux >>> kernel does. We can use PatchWork >>> (http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/) >>> tool to make our life easier. I see some pros for that: >>> >>> . people will get more review into the patches >>> . people will be aware of ongoing work and what is being prepared to >>> be merged >>> . less forgotten patches >>> . less duplicated work >>> >>> I also see a single con for that: >>> >>> . more mailing list traffic >>> >> >> Even if I am not very much involved in the OE development, I completely >> agree with Otavio. The few patches that I have proposed are often stuck >> on the bugzilla. Maybe it would be better with a mailing-list. >> >> Furthermore, now that we use git, we have plenty of tools to send >> patches to a mailing-list (format-patch, send-email and am). >> >> I would definitely support a patch review style like on the linux kernel >> mailing-lists even if this implies a high-traffic list (with simple >> filter rules in your mail client, it's easy to handle). However, I don't >> think it would be a good idea to have two lists. > > I'd go even further by saying we should reorganize the mailinglists into > this: > > * oe mailinglist for humans > * combined commit + autobuild log list for non-humans > > That should reduce confusion which list to use (oe-user, oe-devel, etc) > for sending mails and more people get to see patches flying by. Even if > you don't review them having more code snippets on the list is usefull > for newcomers. 15:01 < _boto> i have posted into issue ml 15:02 < _boto> i wondered that the rest of mails were created by bugzilla No objections, only support for my proposal, so can this get implemented now? regards, Koen