From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXEUj-00007O-I4 for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:47:13 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LXETZ-0005ID-OO for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:46:01 +0000 Received: from s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.145.118.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:46:01 +0000 Received: from k.kooi by s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:46:01 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org From: Koen Kooi Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200901230131.09511.mickey@vanille-media.de> <87wscmn8ne.fsf@neumann.lab.ossystems.com.br> <49799C30.90508@epfl.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090131 Shredder/3.0b2pre In-Reply-To: Sender: news Subject: Re: Mailinglists, was: Re: Bugtracker Status X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:47:13 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05-02-09 15:06, Koen Kooi wrote: > On 23-01-09 12:06, Koen Kooi wrote: >> On 23-01-09 11:30, Valentin Longchamp wrote: >>> Otavio Salvador wrote: >>>> I propose to change the workflow a bit (and reuse few points you've >>>> proposed): >>>> >>>> 1. stop using bugtracker to handle patches >>>> 2. use mailing list to handle patches (comments bellow) >>>> 3. drop autobuilder bug reporting (comments bellow) >>>> >>>> Besides, I have no objection about your points 2.2 and 2.3 but I'm too >>>> new in the OE environment to comment about them so let me comment >>>> about my points: >>>> >>>> 1 and 2: >>>> >>>> We're trying to get more people to review the changes to be done in >>>> OE dev tree and bugzilla UI is horrible and difficult to use (at >>>> least for me). Most people ends up redoing someone else patch since >>>> we don't watch carefully the bugtrack. >>>> >>>> I propose we move to mailing list reviewing process mostly like Linux >>>> kernel does. We can use PatchWork >>>> (http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/) >>>> tool to make our life easier. I see some pros for that: >>>> >>>> . people will get more review into the patches >>>> . people will be aware of ongoing work and what is being prepared to >>>> be merged >>>> . less forgotten patches >>>> . less duplicated work >>>> >>>> I also see a single con for that: >>>> >>>> . more mailing list traffic >>>> >>> >>> Even if I am not very much involved in the OE development, I completely >>> agree with Otavio. The few patches that I have proposed are often stuck >>> on the bugzilla. Maybe it would be better with a mailing-list. >>> >>> Furthermore, now that we use git, we have plenty of tools to send >>> patches to a mailing-list (format-patch, send-email and am). >>> >>> I would definitely support a patch review style like on the linux kernel >>> mailing-lists even if this implies a high-traffic list (with simple >>> filter rules in your mail client, it's easy to handle). However, I don't >>> think it would be a good idea to have two lists. >> >> I'd go even further by saying we should reorganize the mailinglists into >> this: >> >> * oe mailinglist for humans >> * combined commit + autobuild log list for non-humans >> >> That should reduce confusion which list to use (oe-user, oe-devel, etc) >> for sending mails and more people get to see patches flying by. Even if >> you don't review them having more code snippets on the list is usefull >> for newcomers. > > 15:01 < _boto> i have posted into issue ml > 15:02 < _boto> i wondered that the rest of mails were created by bugzilla > > No objections, only support for my proposal, so can this get implemented > now? Still no objections and still no action. Can I shut down the unneeded lists myself now? regards, Koen