From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LcLyC-0004tJ-Ep for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:46:48 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LcLv3-00028m-DO for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:43:33 +0000 Received: from s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.145.118.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:43:33 +0000 Received: from k.kooi by s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:43:33 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org From: Koen Kooi Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49A4EAFC.3080806@dls.net> <1235550209.2621.28.camel@andromeda> <49A5606D.3050507@dls.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090219 Shredder/3.0b3pre In-Reply-To: <49A5606D.3050507@dls.net> Sender: news Subject: OE breakages, was: Re: fakeroot fails to build X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:46:48 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 25-02-09 16:14, Mike (mwester) wrote: > ((Also, are there any non-angstrom distros still left in OE, besides > SlugOS? I really feel like I'm swimming upstream all the time with OE > -- things break for me so often that just don't seem to affect anyone > else...)) Things break often I'm 'fortunate' enough to be able to spend 2 hours every day fixing breakages for angstrom, so I can get a working demo for my presentation at the bossaconference. Thanks to all the people in the beagleboard community I get notified of breakages pretty much the instant they happen, which makes finding the cause a lot easier. This also means that my 'OE time' is almost completely filled with bugfixing, instead of working that is fun. I've been trying to push for better testing frameworks and removing the taboo stamp from the word 'review'. The review bit seems to gaining traction, but 'testing' is still a alien and mystic concepts for a lot of OE committers. Worse, some people turn *off* testing frameworks like insane.bbclass! Maybe it's time for OE to consider whether it really wants a zillion commits per day or only a few tested commits per day. Having a ton of active developers means nothing when people using OE can never get a build completed due to all the small, but fatal bugs appearing lately. I'm close to finishing the new stable branch manifesto which lists options and procedures to make it easier to do releases of OE (not builds, releases of the metadata itself) and track regressions, but it would need about 3 or four people spending a few hours on it every week, which sadly might not be feasible, since the .dev branch is too nice and shiny compared to any branch. regards, Koen