From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ne4kj-0005Ek-PC for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:52:36 +0100 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ne4iK-00085m-Mz for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:50:04 +0100 Received: from s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.145.118.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:50:04 +0100 Received: from k.kooi by s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:50:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org From: Koen Kooi Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:44:53 +0100 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100130 Shredder/3.0.2pre X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Sender: news X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 80.91.229.12 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gcho-openembedded-devel@m.gmane.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:20:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on linuxtogo.org); Unknown failure Subject: TSC meeting minutes 20100204 X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:52:36 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 TSC Meeting 20100204 Attendees: Chris, Graeme, Koen Looking back a the past month the naming and shaming campaign for bad commit messages seems to work well. People also seem to be able to solve problems themselves instead of moving everything to the TSC. The TSC also discussed where variable defaults should be and Chris is going to start a wiki to form an idea on the scope of the cleanup and gauge interest in a 'kernel janitors' type of project for it. The TSC is also wondering what our userbase wants OE to be like and what to focus on, but we need to find the right tools to ask such questions first, the website vote method is just too passive. On overriding default variables the TSC is very clear: we should try to make it impossible to do things like PACKAGES = "of". An idea would be to move the PACKAGES =+ -dbg, -dev, doc to e.g. package.bbclass. More thought on this is needed. The last two items discussed were new-style staging and packaged staging. The TSC would like to *strongly* encourage people to move their recipes to new style staging. If you are using packaged-staging with a big TMPDIR (e.g. a few machines with big images built) legacy staging will easily take more than 15 minutes per recipe because it scans through the complete staging looking for changes. The consensus in the TSC is that DISTROs are in charge of enabling packaged-staging or not, but keeping the non-packaged-staging working well is not a priority. End of meeting Postscript: Richard mentions that keeping non-packaged staging working will be a major pain, so DISTRO maintainers should aim to enable it so OE can move forward. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFLbpmlMkyGM64RGpERAtgXAJ9q7s562EhMwdNRbfBcu2R+1dVwywCfdPEl rgF/e2PDzsBkUj0Kf12y/wE= =kLei -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----