From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUFdn-0002yZ-7N for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:01:14 +0200 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUFZD-0006Fg-JS for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:56:19 +0200 Received: from s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.145.118.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:56:19 +0200 Received: from k.kooi by s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:56:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org From: Koen Kooi Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:56:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C0F9119.3000909@freyther.de> <4C2B1BC4.2030808@freyther.de> <4C2B446A.5040301@freyther.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100611 Shredder/3.0.6pre In-Reply-To: <4C2B446A.5040301@freyther.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 80.91.229.12 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gcho-openembedded-devel@m.gmane.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on discovery X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:20:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on linuxtogo.org) Subject: Re: TSC Meetings for the meeting of June X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:01:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 30-06-10 15:19, Holger Freyther wrote: > In regard to the TSC, what mode of operation do you propose? We freeze > the tree until all items are implemented in the order they are proposed? > We find people driving a topic? In this specific case you (or the TSC) choose to work on a extremely intrusive and controversial *cosmetic* change first instead of tackling the some of the (IMO more important) items agreed on earlier: * making QA checks be enabled by default * promoting new style staging and converting existing recipes * promoting bbclassextend and converting existing recipes * fixing nativesdk By skipping over those, without saying why and going for the cosmetic change the TSC is sending out a signal that they do NOT care about quality, only appearance. In the past I was proud about how OE handled things by the things you yourself created, like insane.bbclass, the first edition of tinderbox, etc. But recently only 2 groups of OE developers seem to care about quality, the SHR and angstrom folk. Those are the only 2 distros that have the QA checks enabled. Due to the nature of OE other benefit from the awesome work Martin and Khem have been doing, but it feels a bit one sided to me. Since nearly all OE developers can't work fulltime on OE, I would propose that the TSC sends out a few "call to action" mails, describing the tasks that need doing and some guidance on how they want to see it done. I will *gladly* help out, but I need to know what needs doing and avoid duplicate work. It would help to have a "completed action items", "in progress action items" and "action items that noone is working on" list in the TSC minutes (or wiki) to keep track of stuff. And of course a big thank you to all the people working on QA that I didn't mention. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFMLFgrMkyGM64RGpERAtCVAJ4xp7Lxx91AwSUN7DgEwxasSjr4gACgi2/n qbbTDqsfC2RlFjxhRglNtZ4= =zIjM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----