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From: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
To: Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@matbug.net>,
	Chris Redpath <chrid.redpath@arm.com>,
	Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched/uclamp: Protect uclamp fast path code with static key
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:25:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jhjsgerchmn.mognet@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200619125148.y4cq3hwllgozbutq@e107158-lin.cambridge.arm.com>


On 19/06/20 13:51, Qais Yousef wrote:
> On 06/19/20 11:36, Valentin Schneider wrote:
>>
>> On 18/06/20 20:55, Qais Yousef wrote:
>> > There is a report that when uclamp is enabled, a netperf UDP test
>> > regresses compared to a kernel compiled without uclamp.
>> >
>> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200529100806.GA3070@suse.de/
>> >
>>
>> ISTR the perennial form for those is: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/<message-id>
>
> The link is correct permalinnk from lore and contains the message-id as Peter
> likes and he has accepted this form before.
>

I think the objections I remember were on using lkml.org rather than
lkml.kernel.org. Sorry!

> If you look closely you'll see that what you suggest is just moving 'lkml' to
> replace lore in the dns name and put an /r/. I don't see a need to enforce one
> form over the other as the one I used is much easier to get.
>

My assumption would be that while lore may fade (it hasn't been there for
that long, who knows what will come next), lkml.kernel.org ought to be
perennial. Keyword here being "assumption".

> If Peter really insists I'll be happy to change.
>
> [...]
>
>> > +	 * This could happen if sched_uclamp_unused was disabled while the
>> > +	 * current task was running, hence we could end up with unbalanced call
>> > +	 * to uclamp_rq_dec_id().
>> > +	 */
>> > +	if (unlikely(!bucket->tasks))
>> > +		return;
>>
>> I'm slightly worried about silent returns for cases like these, can we try
>> to cook something up to preserve the previous SCHED_WARN_ON()? Say,
>> something like the horrendous below - alternatively might be feasible with
>> with some clever p->on_rq flag.
>
> I am really against extra churn and debug code to detect an impossible case
> that is not really tricky for reviewers to discern. Outside of enqueue/dequeue
> path, it's only used in update_uclamp_active(). It is quite easy to see that
> it's impossible, except for the legit case now when we have a static key
> changing when a task is running.
>

Providing it isn't too much of a head scratcher (and admittedly what I am
suggesting is borderline here), I believe it is worthwhile to add debug
helps in what is assumed to be impossible cases - even more so in this case
seeing as it had been deemed worth to check previously. We've been proved
wrong on the "impossible" nature of some things before.

We have a few of those checks strewn over the scheduler code, so it's not
like we would be starting a new trend.

> I am strongly against extra debug code just to be safe. It ends up with
> confusion down the line and extra complexity, and since this is the hot path
> maybe potential extra variables to mess with cache behaviors.
>

Hence why I'd put this under CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG.

> Thanks

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-19 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-18 19:55 [PATCH 0/2] sched: Optionally skip uclamp logic in fast path Qais Yousef
2020-06-18 19:55 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/uclamp: Fix initialization of strut uclamp_rq Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 10:36   ` Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 17:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-06-19 17:39     ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 18:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-06-19 18:42         ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-22 10:30           ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-18 19:55 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/uclamp: Protect uclamp fast path code with static key Qais Yousef
2020-06-19  0:09   ` kernel test robot
2020-06-19  0:09   ` [RFC PATCH] sched/uclamp: sched_uclamp_unused can be static kernel test robot
2020-06-19 10:36   ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/uclamp: Protect uclamp fast path code with static key Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 11:57     ` Mel Gorman
2020-06-19 12:17       ` Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 12:55       ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 14:51       ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 12:51     ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 13:23       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-06-19 13:25       ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2020-06-19 14:13         ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 15:17           ` Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 17:25             ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-19 18:52               ` Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 19:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-06-19 10:39   ` Valentin Schneider
2020-06-19 17:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-06-19 17:53     ` Qais Yousef
2020-06-22  9:06 ` [PATCH 0/2] sched: Optionally skip uclamp logic in fast path Lukasz Luba

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