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[96.237.164.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bs31-20020a05620a471f00b006bb83c2be40sm8696723qkb.59.2022.08.30.11.44.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robbie Harwood To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , Daniel Axtens Cc: The development of GNU GRUB Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove HFS support In-Reply-To: <6ff3b636-a06b-58ec-511f-d8c5c1ae675d@physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <20220819135755.vpfkmfyvysmdbzov@tomti.i.net-space.pl> <0F68F479-0EC8-4BF8-B21D-81B5FC725226@physik.fu-berlin.de> <871qtbowcj.fsf@dja-thinkpad.axtens.net> <181a0e9e-cf1c-a11f-e30f-2b14093462ad@physik.fu-berlin.de> <871qt3uo53.fsf@dja-thinkpad.axtens.net> <6ff3b636-a06b-58ec-511f-d8c5c1ae675d@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=rharwood@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:44:14 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > On 8/30/22 18:37, Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> As the person currently responsible for the Red Hat tree: I am also >> not happy about this state of affairs. > > I don't want to sound rude, but GRUB isn't a RedHat-only project, it's a > community project. Nowhere in my post did I say I was speaking for grub - the tag at the top literally says that my post is intended as the Red Hat tree maintainer. I'm not an upstream maintainer and it is not reasonable to presume that I speak for grub, or that my views represent those of the project. > So, while I understand RH's point of view, I would also like to ask > you to see other people's perspectives. If you're going to make claims like this, you need to actually engage with what others are saying. Seeing someone else's perspective doesn't mean you think they're right: it means you're trying to engage with their viewpoint in order to reach consensus. I do not see engagement with my viewpoint from you, and meanwhile I'm trying to engage with yours. >> If a use case is to be supported, someone needs to actually do the >> leg work to support it. Bug reports are all well and good, but if no >> one's actually able to fix them, they're just making a pile that's in >> the way. > > Vladimir has asked multiple times for bug reports on the issues and he > said, he would fix them. I also offered that we do a crowd-funding > campaign to fund the development. I would be happy to throw in some > money as well. That's nice of you to offer, but you should know that those of us already employed full-time in software will likely be unable to receive those funds. It is also not the same thing as having that work get done. For my part, I reviewed the original POWER patch and am happy to review changes to make it powermac compatible. > So, if we could get some report on what needs to be addressed, that would > be great. I think I was pretty clear about this in the part of my message that you trimmed out, but I'll reiterate just in case: the series Daniel Axtens and I are talking about is "powerpc-ieee1275: support larger core.elf images" on which you provided feedback on 2021-11-23. Daniel Axtens last asked you on-list for additional debugging information on 2022-05-17, to which you have not replied. Daniel also indicated in that post that they are likely at the limit of their ability to debug the failure regardless. 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