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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	xemul@parallels.com
Subject: Re: User namespaces and keys
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:45:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m162sasqj6.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <890.1298473574@redhat.com> (David Howells's message of "Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:06:14 +0000")

David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> writes:

> Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
>
>> > I guess we need to look at how to mix keys and namespaces again.
>> 
>> From strictly kernel pov, at the moment, keys are strictly usable only
>> by the user in your own user namespace.
>
> I'm not sure that's currently completely true.  Key quota maintenance is
> namespaced, and the key's owner UID/GID belong to that namespace, so that's
> okay, but:
>
>  (*) key_task_permission() does not distinguish UIDs and GIDs from different
>      namespaces.
>
>  (*) A key can be referred to by its serial number, no matter whose namespace
>      it is in, and will yield up its given UID/GID, even if these aren't
>      actually meaningful in your namespace.
>
>      This means request_key() can successfully upcall at the moment.
>
> I wonder if I should make the following changes:
>
>  (1) If the key and the accessor are in different user namespaces, then skip
>      the UID and GID comparisons in key_task_permission().  That means that to
>      be able to access the key you'd have to possess the key and the key would
>      have to grant you Possessor access, or the key would have to grant you
>      Other access.
>
>  (2) If the key and someone viewing the key description are in different
>      namespaces, then indicate that the UID and the GID are -1, irrespective of
>      the actual values.
>
>  (3) When an upcall is attempting to instantiate a key, it is allowed to access
>      the keys of requestor using the requestor's credentials (UID, GID, groups,
>      security label).  Ensure that this will be done in the requestor's user
>      namespace.
>
>      Nothing should need to be done here, since search_process_keyrings()
>      switches to the requestor's creds.
>
> Oh, and are security labels user-namespaced?

Not at this time.  The user namespace as currently merged is little more
than a place holder for a proper implementation.  Serge is busily
fleshing out that proper implementation.

Until we reach the point where all checks that have historically been
"if (uid1 == uid2)" become "if ((uidns1 == uidns2) && (uid1 == uid2))"
there will be problems.

The security labels and probably lsm's in general need to be per user
namespace but we simply have not gotten that far.  For the short term I
will be happy when we get a minimally usable user namespace.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-23 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-17 15:02 userns: targeted capabilities v5 Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:02 ` [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  3:31   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 16:57   ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <20110217150257.GA26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:31     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 16:57     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-23 17:16     ` David Howells
2011-02-23 17:16   ` David Howells
2011-02-23 21:21     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-23 23:19       ` David Howells
2011-02-23 23:54         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <8559.1298503148-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 23:54           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <3139.1298481393-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 21:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <m1lj16ih0n.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 23:19       ` David Howells
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  3:46   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <20110217150306.GB26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:46     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:44     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-23 11:40     ` David Howells
2011-02-23 16:59     ` David Howells
2011-02-18 23:44   ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-23 11:40   ` David Howells
2011-02-23 12:01     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <29617.1298462517-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 13:43         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 13:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 16:59   ` David Howells
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 3/9] allow sethostname in a container Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  3:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:46   ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]   ` <20110217150316.GC26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:05     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:46     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  3:00   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20110218155921.440f1137.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  0:48       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  0:48     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  0:54       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20110224004818.GA11822-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  0:54         ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <20110217150325.GD26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:00     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 10:55     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-19 10:55       ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  2:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18  4:36     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20110218043601.GB9584-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  0:49         ` [PATCH] userns: ptrace: incorporate feedback from Eric Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  0:49       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20110224004901.GB11822-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  0:56           ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-24  0:56         ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-24  3:15           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20110223165651.cf248f3b.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  3:15             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <m1aahu9hea.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  4:36       ` [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20110218155925.f7d30a52.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  0:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  0:43     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-19 17:49   ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-23 17:05   ` David Howells
2011-02-23 17:11   ` David Howells
     [not found]   ` <20110217150333.GE26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  2:59     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 17:49     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-23 17:05     ` David Howells
2011-02-23 17:11     ` David Howells
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  1:57   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19  0:01   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <20110217150342.GF26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  1:57     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19  0:01     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 17:52     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-19 17:52   ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found] ` <20110217150224.GA26334-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-17 15:02   ` [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 3/9] allow sethostname in a container Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:03   ` [PATCH 8/9] user namespaces: convert several capable() calls Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-17 15:04   ` [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  0:21   ` userns: targeted capabilities v5 Andrew Morton
2011-02-23 12:05   ` User namespaces and keys David Howells
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  3:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 17:57   ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]   ` <20110217150349.GG26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:19     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 17:57     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-17 15:03 ` [PATCH 8/9] user namespaces: convert several capable() calls Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  1:51   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <20110217150356.GH26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  1:51     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-19 19:07     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-19 19:07   ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-17 15:04 ` [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  1:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20110218155935.66e7782d.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  3:24       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  3:24     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-24  5:08       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20110224032415.GA5555-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  5:08         ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 19:22   ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]   ` <20110217150406.GI26395-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  1:29     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18 23:59     ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-19 19:22     ` Daniel Lezcano
2011-02-18  0:21 ` userns: targeted capabilities v5 Andrew Morton
2011-02-18  3:53   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <20110217162146.1b8e45e0.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-18  3:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-18  4:28     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-18  4:28   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found] ` <29256.1298461209-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 12:01   ` [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace David Howells
2011-02-23 12:05 ` User namespaces and keys David Howells
     [not found]   ` <29677.1298462729-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 13:58     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 13:58   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 14:46     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20110223135814.GA1859-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 14:46       ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-23 15:06       ` David Howells
2011-02-23 15:06     ` David Howells
2011-02-23 15:45       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
     [not found]         ` <m162sasqj6.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 15:53           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 15:53         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-02-23 19:24           ` Casey Schaufler
2011-02-23 20:55             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <m1k4gqlbdm.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 21:37                 ` Casey Schaufler
2011-02-23 21:37               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                 ` <4D657E0C.3010102-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-24  6:56                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-02-24  6:56                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <4D655EE4.6030707-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 20:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20110223155328.GA21266-BtbdaCaBcfOTUehee3IRJA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 19:24             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]       ` <890.1298473574-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-23 15:45         ` Eric W. Biederman

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