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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	serue@us.ibm.com, greg@kroah.com,
	fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/7] FUSE: implement ioctl support
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:32:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m163pdb8qx.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48BBD9F5.8060906@kernel.org> (Tejun Heo's message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:03:01 +0200")

Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>>> So why not just only support well defined ioctls and serialize them
>>> in the kernel and allow the receiving process to deserialize them?
>> 
>> I'd like the idea of limiting to well behaved ioctls, but Tejun
>> doesn't...
>
> I'm not dead against it.  I'm just a bit more inclined to my
> implementation (naturally), which means if you're dead against the
> current implementation, supporting only the proper ones definitely is
> an option, but comparing the pros and cons, I'm not quite convinced
> yet.

I really think that if an ioctl is passing through the kernel we
should know how to parse and understand it's options.  Otherwise
we won't have the option of doing backwards compatibility when something
changes, like we can with the 32->64bit ioctls.

That seems to imply that you need a stub in the kernel to handle 
really weird ioctls.

The upside is that because you know what the inputs and outputs are
and where the inputs and output are you can support that ioctl well
into the future, and you can do it with an unprivileged file
system server.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-03 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-28 17:40 [PATCHSET] FUSE: extend FUSE to support more operations Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 1/7] FUSE: add include protectors Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 2/7] FUSE: pass nonblock flag to client Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 3/7] FUSE: implement nonseekable open Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] FUSE: implement direct lseek support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] FUSE: implement ioctl support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:51   ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 17:59     ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:01       ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:13         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:17           ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:23             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:34               ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 19:25                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 19:42                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 20:02                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29  2:19                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29  7:59                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29  8:12                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29  8:29                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29  9:03                               ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 19:17                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-29 19:47                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-30 11:40                                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-01 11:57                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-09-01 12:03                                     ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-03 14:32                                       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-09-03 14:40                                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-03 21:51                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-04  0:09                                             ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 11:31                         ` [fuse-devel] " Roger Willcocks
2008-08-29 11:54                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 20:48                 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-28 18:02       ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:14         ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 18:25           ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:20   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 18:28     ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 19:08       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 19:18         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 20:21           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 20:55             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 21:27               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-29  7:32                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 6/7] FUSE: implement unsolicited notification Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 7/7] FUSE: implement poll support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:20 ` [PATCHSET] FUSE: extend FUSE to support more operations Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:23   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14  8:21 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14  9:37   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-14 12:16     ` [fuse-devel] " Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-10-14 12:43       ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]     ` <2cff7cb50810141032m5793a405h7425dfa122fb67ba@mail.gmail.com>
2008-10-14 21:04       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-12  8:41     ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-12  9:14       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-12  9:30         ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-12  9:36           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-12  9:43             ` [fuse-devel] " Mike Hommey
2008-11-12 10:00       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13  5:54         ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13  6:06       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:19         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 11:29           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:57             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 12:14               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13  6:26     ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:47       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 11:54         ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:58           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 12:34             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 13:23               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 13:42                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 14:29                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 14:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 15:10                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 15:52                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 16:00                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-17  9:17                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-17 10:16                             ` [fuse-devel] " Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-18  3:32                               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-18  9:33                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-18 10:30                                   ` Tejun Heo

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