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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg Kurz <gkurz@fr.ibm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, containers@lists.osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	daniel.lezcano@free.fr, oleg@redhat.com, xemul@openvz.org,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Introduce ActivePid: in /proc/self/status (v2, was Vpid:)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:44:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ei2o9l7a.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTiknqo0iKry7mjq+mc4iOWj_A_mrrw@mail.gmail.com> (Bryan Donlan's message of "Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:37:24 -0400")

Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 07:45, Greg Kurz <gkurz@fr.ibm.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 13:54 -0400, Bryan Donlan wrote:
>
>>> Although getting the in-namespace PID is a useful thing, wouldn't a
>>> truly race-free API be preferable? Any access by PID has the race
>>> condition in which the target process could die, and its PID get
>>> recycled between retrieving the PID and doing something with it.
>>
>> Well the PID is a racy construct when used by another task than the
>> parent... fortunately, most userland code can cope with it ! :)
>
> That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix the race! :)
>
>>> Perhaps a file-descriptor API would be better, such as something like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> int openpid(int id, int flags);
>>> int rt_sigqueueinfo_fd(int process_fd, int sig, siginfo_t *info);
>>> int sigqueue_fd(int process_fd, int sig, const union sigval value); //
>>> glibc wrapper
>>>
>>
>> The race still exists: openpid() is being passed a PID... Only the
>> parent can legitimately know that this PID identifies a specific
>> unwaited child.
>
> Yes, the idea would be either the parent process, or the target
> process itself would open the PID, then pass the resulting file
> descriptor to whatever process is actually doing the killing.
> Alternately, one could add additional calls to help identify whether
> the right process was opened (perhaps a call to get a directory handle
> to the corresponding /proc directory?)

fd = open("/proc/self/", O_DIRECTORY);
?

Doing something based on proc files seems like a reasonable direction to
head if we are working on a race free api.

I suspect all we need is a sigqueue file.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-20 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-15 14:55 [PATCH] Introduce ActivePid: in /proc/self/status (v2, was Vpid:) Greg Kurz
2011-06-15 18:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-15 19:08   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-16 11:01   ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-16 12:35     ` Louis Rilling
2011-06-16 13:00       ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-16 13:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 13:25         ` Louis Rilling
2011-06-16 14:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 15:08             ` Louis Rilling
2011-06-16 15:01           ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-16 15:27             ` Louis Rilling
2011-06-16 12:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-15 19:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 11:19   ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-16 12:25     ` Cedric Le Goater
2011-06-16 13:06       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 14:25         ` Cedric Le Goater
2011-06-16 15:22           ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-16 16:22             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 15:07       ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-16 15:33         ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-16 16:12           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 12:52     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-16 17:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2011-06-20 11:45   ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-20 17:37     ` Bryan Donlan
2011-06-20 22:44       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2011-06-22 15:29         ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-23  0:39           ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-23 13:43             ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-23 14:37               ` Serge Hallyn
2011-06-22 15:00       ` Greg Kurz
2011-06-22 16:56         ` Bryan Donlan

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