From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Thery <benjamin.thery@bull.net>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support.
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:21:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1y74svtff.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <485F04E1.70204@gmail.com> (Tejun Heo's message of "Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:05:21 +0900")
Tejun thank you for the review, and my apologies for the delayed
reply.
Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com> writes:
>> Index: linux-mm/include/linux/sysfs.h
>> ===================================================================
>> --- linux-mm.orig/include/linux/sysfs.h
>> +++ linux-mm/include/linux/sysfs.h
>> @@ -80,6 +80,14 @@ struct sysfs_ops {
>> ssize_t (*store)(struct kobject *,struct attribute *,const char *, size_t);
>> };
>>
>> +struct sysfs_tag_info {
>> +};
>> +
>> +struct sysfs_tagged_dir_operations {
>> + const void *(*sb_tag)(struct sysfs_tag_info *info);
>> + const void *(*kobject_tag)(struct kobject *kobj);
>> +};
>
> As before, I can't bring myself to like this interface. Is computing
> tags dynamically really necessary? Can't we do the followings?
It isn't so much computing tags dynamically but rather it is reading them
from where they are stored.
> tag = sysfs_allocate_tag(s);
> sysfs_enable_tag(kobj (or sd), tag);
> sysfs_sb_show_tag(sb, tag);
>
> Where tags are allocated using ida and each sb has bitmap of enabled
> tags so that sysfs ops can simply use something like the following to
> test whether it's enabled.
>
> bool sysfs_tag_enabled(sb, tag)
> {
> return sysfs_info(sb)->tag_map & (1 << tag);
> }
Youch that seems limiting. The expectation is that we could have
as many as 100 different containers in use on a single system at one
time. So 100 apparent copies of the network stack.
There is also a second dimension here we multiplex different
directories based on different sets of tags. One directory based
on user namespaces another on the network namespaces.
The tags in practice are just pointers to the namespace pointers.
So while we could use the ida technique to specify which set of tags
we are talking about for a directory it isn't sufficient.
The question sysfs_tag_enabled(sb, tag) makes no sense to me.
Especially in the context of needed a sysfs_sb_show_tag(sb, tag);
The current structure is because of all of the darn fool races and
magic that sysfs does. We have to say for a given directory: Your
contents will always be tagged, and only those that one tag that
matches what was captured by the superblock when sysfs is mounted
will be shown.
> Tags which can change dynamically seems too confusing to me and it
> makes things difficult to verify as it's unclear how those tags are
> gonna to change.
We have a fundamental issue that we have to handle, and it sounds like
you are proposing something that will not handle it.
- network devices can move between namespaces.
- network devices have driver specific sysfs attributes hanging off of them.
So we have to move the network devices and their sysfs attributes
between namespaces, and I implemented that in kobject_rename,
sysfs_rename path.
The tags on a kobject can only change during a rename operation.
So when the change happens is well defined. Further there is a
set of functions: sysfs_creation_tag, sysfs_removal_tag,
sysfs_lookup_tag, sysfs_dirent_tag which makes it clear what we
are doing.
If you really don't like how the tags are managed we need to talk
about how we store the tags on kobjects and on the super block.
Registering a set of tags could easily make the sb_tag function
obsolete, and that is one small piece of code so it is no big deal.
struct sysfs_tag_type_operations {
const void *(*mount_tag)(void);
const void *(*kobject_tag)(struct kobject *kobj);
};
Then we could do:
struct sysfs_sbtag_operations *tag_type_ops[MAX_TAG_TYPES];
And sysfs_tag_info could become.
struct sysfs_tag_info {
void *tag[MAX_TAG_TYPES];
};
During subsystem initialization we could call
tag_type = sysfs_allocate_tag_type();
Just after the subsystem creates a directory.
sysfs_enable_tagging(kobj/sd, tag_type);
Then anytime we currently call sb_tag during lookup we can instead
just look at sysfs_info(sb)->tag[tag_type] and compare that with
sd->s_tag.tag.
The actual tag values themselves are current stored in the object in
which the kobject is embedded.
So we still need to call kobject_tag when we create or rename
something in a tagged directory. So we know what the tag is.
When we go to remove a kobj using the existing tag on the object
is the right choice.
Rename is the fun case where we need to grab the old tag from the
sd and place on it the new tag from kobject_tag.
One of the big problems at least with the class directories is that
the lifetimes are completely decoupled the between the tags and
the subsystem objects and subsystem directories that need to be
tagged. This isn't a set things up at the start of your subsystem
and everything is happy situation. To handle the races there must
be support at least at the kobject level for handling this in the
network namespace case.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-26 20:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-18 17:07 [PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories V6 Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 01/11] sysfs: Support for preventing unmounts Benjamin Thery
[not found] ` <20080618170730.256129077-4vkkeT0zb4ZEtYaxpPmRp1aPQRlvutdw@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-18 17:44 ` Dave Hansen
2008-06-18 17:44 ` Dave Hansen
2008-06-18 20:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-19 8:54 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-06-19 16:32 ` Dave Hansen
2008-06-19 20:19 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 02/11] sysfs: sysfs_get_dentry add a sb parameter Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 03/11] sysfs: Implement __sysfs_get_dentry Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 04/11] sysfs: Rename Support multiple superblocks Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 05/11] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle " Benjamin Thery
2008-06-22 4:46 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-23 21:42 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-24 4:45 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-24 10:39 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-24 13:37 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-25 12:31 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23 2:05 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-26 20:21 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-06-29 3:51 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-30 18:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m18wwmsqdv.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 21:44 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-30 21:44 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-07-01 7:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-01 6:47 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-01 9:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-01 10:30 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-01 12:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-02 3:24 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-02 3:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-02 4:37 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <486B060C.7030607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-02 7:18 ` Andreas B Aaen
2008-07-02 16:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 0:15 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <m14p78s02q.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-03 3:18 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-03 3:18 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <486C4515.1070007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-03 5:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 5:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1hcb7o8lv.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-03 10:56 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 10:56 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <486CB051.5000507-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-03 12:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 12:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m14p77m9uy.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-03 12:37 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-07-03 12:37 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-07-03 19:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 12:55 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 12:55 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 15:58 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-03 18:29 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 20:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 0:48 ` [PATCH 00/15] sysfs support for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 0:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:05 ` [PATCH 01/15] kobject: Cleanup kobject_rename and !CONFIG_SYSFS Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:07 ` [PATCH 02/15] sysfs: Support for preventing unmounts Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:08 ` [PATCH 03/15] sysfs: sysfs_get_dentry add a sb parameter Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:09 ` [PATCH 04/15] sysfs: Implement __sysfs_get_dentry Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:10 ` [PATCH 05/15] sysfs: Rename Support multiple superblocks Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:11 ` [PATCH 06/15] Introduce sysfs_sd_setattr and fix sysfs_chmod Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:13 ` [PATCH 07/15] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle multiple superblocks Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:14 ` [PATCH 08/15] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static once again Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:16 ` [PATCH 09/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:17 ` [PATCH 10/15] sysfs: Merge sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:18 ` [PATCH 11/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:20 ` [PATCH 12/15] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:21 ` [PATCH 13/15] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:22 ` [PATCH 14/15] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:23 ` [PATCH 15/15] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 7:50 ` [PATCH 12/15] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 7:50 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 13:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 13:57 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 13:57 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 16:12 ` Greg KH
2008-07-04 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-14 1:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16 3:25 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16 5:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16 5:50 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16 6:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16 6:48 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16 7:02 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16 19:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16 21:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-17 23:08 ` Greg KH
2008-07-18 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-18 18:49 ` Greg KH
2008-07-18 20:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-19 1:07 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-03 6:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-11 12:45 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-09-11 13:05 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-12 6:32 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-07-04 22:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-20 2:17 ` [PATCH 09/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Greg KH
2008-08-20 6:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:31 ` [PATCH 0/8] sysfs namespace support Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:33 ` [PATCH 1/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:34 ` [PATCH 2/8] sysfs: Merge sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:35 ` [PATCH 3/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:36 ` [PATCH 5/8] sysfs: Remove sysfs_create_link_nowarn Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:38 ` [PATCH 6/8] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:39 ` [PATCH 7/8] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:40 ` [PATCH 8/8] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21 6:47 ` [PATCH 7/8] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs David Miller
2008-08-21 6:47 ` [PATCH 6/8] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" David Miller
2008-08-21 6:37 ` [PATCH 4/8] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-27 15:18 ` [PATCH 1/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-09-02 13:54 ` Mark Ryden
2008-09-02 14:03 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-02 17:01 ` Greg KH
2008-09-04 5:33 ` David Shwatrz
2008-09-04 6:44 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-08 18:39 ` Mark Ryden
2008-10-07 16:39 ` Mark Ryden
2008-10-07 16:48 ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 20:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 21:09 ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 22:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-08 13:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-14 3:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 16:52 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-08-21 6:37 ` [PATCH 0/8] sysfs namespace support David Miller
2008-07-04 6:44 ` [PATCH 08/15] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static once again Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 6:44 ` [PATCH 07/15] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle multiple superblocks Tejun Heo
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-sysfs_chmod_file-handle-multiple-superblocks.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-07-04 6:40 ` [PATCH 06/15] Introduce sysfs_sd_setattr and fix sysfs_chmod Tejun Heo
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-introduce-sysfs_sd_setattr-and-fix-sysfs_chmod.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-rename-support-multiple-superblocks.patch " gregkh
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-implement-__sysfs_get_dentry.patch " gregkh
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-sysfs_get_dentry-add-a-sb-parameter.patch " gregkh
[not found] ` <m1prpuihjb.fsf_-_-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-20 2:16 ` patch sysfs-support-for-preventing-unmounts.patch " gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM
2008-07-04 6:33 ` [PATCH 01/15] kobject: Cleanup kobject_rename and !CONFIG_SYSFS Tejun Heo
2008-08-20 1:48 ` patch kobject-cleanup-kobject_rename-and-config_sysfs.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-07-04 1:27 ` [PATCH 00/15] sysfs support for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 1:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-06 4:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-06 4:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-07 11:41 ` Cornelia Huck
2008-07-07 11:41 ` Cornelia Huck
2008-07-07 12:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-07 12:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 07/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23 2:13 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-26 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-29 3:35 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-30 3:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 08/11] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 09/11] sysfs: add sysfs_ns_exit routine Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 20:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-23 2:16 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:09 ` [PATCH 10/11] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23 2:18 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:09 ` [PATCH 11/11] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23 2:18 ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-25 18:44 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-25 21:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1wskd43uc.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 13:07 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-26 13:07 ` Serge E. Hallyn
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-06-06 15:46 [PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories V5 Benjamin Thery
2008-06-06 15:47 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-05-06 17:30 [RESEND][PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories Benjamin Thery
2008-05-06 17:31 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
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