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From: Hajime Tazaki <thehajime@gmail.com>
To: octavian.purdila@intel.com
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/28] Linux Kernel Library
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 22:45:10 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2pozkppuh.wl@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1446582059-17355-1-git-send-email-octavian.purdila@intel.com>


Hello Octavian,

At Tue,  3 Nov 2015 22:20:31 +0200,
Octavian Purdila wrote:
> 
> 
> Q: How is LKL different from LibOS?
> A: LibOS re-implements high-level kernel APIs for timers, softirqs,
> scheduling, sysctl, SLAB/SLUB, etc. LKL behaves like any arch port,
> implementing the arch level operations requested by the Linux kernel. LKL
> also offers a host interface so that support for multiple hosts can be
> easily implemented.

I review most of code with the help of document and paper (2010).

I think LKL and LibOS are essentially the same thing.

I describe the current differences of both features, which I
believe there are no fundamental ones (i.e., both can
improve by putting some efforts).

- LKL
 (beautiful) arch implementation (I like it)
 fully kbuild compliant
 rich fs support
 host support: POSIX, win, haiku, etc

- LibOS
 existing application integration
 (semi-automated) system call table generation
 multiple process support (via system call proxy)
 various network backends (raw socket, DPDK, netmap, tap)
 symbol namespace separation
 host support: == rump hypercall (POSIX, xen,
   qemu/kvm/baremetal(under development)), ns-3 simulator

# I can't find network support within the current patch but
  there is/will be a certain code that LKL can play with
  networking subsystem.

existing application integration is really important when
you want to configure network stack: since the configuration
of file systems is just a mount(), but configurations of
network stack need much userspace applications like iproute2
(ip, ss, tc) etc, which is not trivial to re-implement.


-- Hajime

      parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-08 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-03 20:20 [RFC PATCH 00/28] Linux Kernel Library Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 01/28] asm-generic: atomic64: allow using generic atomic64 on 64bit platforms Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 02/28] kbuild: allow architectures to automatically define kconfig symbols Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 03/28] lkl: architecture skeleton for Linux kernel library Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 04/28] lkl: host interface Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 23:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 05/28] lkl: memory handling Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 06/28] lkl: kernel threads support Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 07/28] lkl: interrupt support Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 08/28] lkl: system call interface and application API Octavian Purdila
2015-11-07 23:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-08  3:49     ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08 10:26       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 09/28] lkl: timers, time and delay support Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 10/28] lkl: memory mapped I/O support Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 11/28] lkl: basic kernel console support Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 12/28] init: allow architecture code to overide run_init_process Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 13/28] lkl: initialization and cleanup Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 14/28] lkl: plug in the build system Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 15/28] lkl tools: skeleton for host side library, tests and tools Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 16/28] lkl tools: host lib: add lkl_strerror and lkl_printf Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 17/28] lkl tools: host lib: memory mapped I/O helpers Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 18/28] lkl tools: host lib: virtio devices Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 19/28] lkl tools: host lib: virtio block device Octavian Purdila
2015-11-07 12:24   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-11-08  4:15     ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08 13:30       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 20/28] lkl tools: host lib: filesystem helpers Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 21/28] lkl tools: host lib: posix host operations Octavian Purdila
2015-11-07 23:16   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-08  4:01     ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08 10:35       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 22/28] lkl tools: "boot" test Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 23/28] lkl tools: tool that converts a filesystem image to tar Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 24/28] lkl tools: tool that reads/writes to/from a filesystem image Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 25/28] signal: use CONFIG_X86_32 instead of __i386__ Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 26/28] asm-generic: vmlinux.lds.h: allow customized rodata section name Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 27/28] lkl: add support for Windows hosts Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH 28/28] lkl tools: add support for Windows host Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 21:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/28] Linux Kernel Library Richard Weinberger
2015-11-03 22:45   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2015-11-03 23:23     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-11-03 23:24     ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-04 13:22       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-04 13:50       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2015-11-04 14:15         ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-07  0:35           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-11-07  7:19             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2015-11-07 10:48             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2015-11-09 16:35               ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08  4:16             ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08  4:36             ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-03 23:06   ` Octavian Purdila
     [not found]     ` <1670BE0E-C0E0-4D45-BF16-1FF60C298149@gmail.com>
2015-11-09 15:11       ` Octavian Purdila
2015-11-08 13:45 ` Hajime Tazaki [this message]

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