From: khilman@baylibre.com (Kevin Hilman)
To: linus-amlogic@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/5] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:52:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2wpe37sn1.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFBinCDpBew7wreNPn6=J3jKsw_Ok=Ed9_+Gxsefb661RvUdrA@mail.gmail.com> (Martin Blumenstingl's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:36:55 +0100")
Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com> writes:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Martin Blumenstingl
> <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> This partially fixes the 1000Mbit/s ethernet TX throughput issues (on
>> networks which are not affected by the EEE problem, as reported here:
>> [1]).
>> The actual problem for the TX throughput issues was that the TX delay
>> was applied twice:
>> - once "accidentally" by the PHY (this was fixed with [2])
>> - once by the MAC because there was a hardcoded TX delay (of 2ns),
>> this will be configurable with the changes from [0]
>>
>> These are the dts changes which belong to my other series (in v2
>> these patches were part of the other series, upon request of the
>> net maintainers I have split the .dts changes into their own series so
>> we are able to take both through different trees):
>> "[PATCH net-next v3 0/2] stmmac: dwmac-meson8b: configurable
>> RGMII TX delay": [0].
>> Thus this series depends on the ACK for the binding changes in the
>> other series!
>>
>> I based these changes on my other series "[PATCH v2 0/2] GXL and GXM
>> SCPI improvements": [3]
> the DT binding changes for the meson8b-dwmac driver were ACK'ed by Rob
> Herring, so you can proceed with this series once you applied the SCPI
> patches.
Series queued for v4.11,
Thanks,
Kevin
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From: khilman@baylibre.com (Kevin Hilman)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/5] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:52:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2wpe37sn1.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFBinCDpBew7wreNPn6=J3jKsw_Ok=Ed9_+Gxsefb661RvUdrA@mail.gmail.com> (Martin Blumenstingl's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:36:55 +0100")
Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com> writes:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Martin Blumenstingl
> <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> This partially fixes the 1000Mbit/s ethernet TX throughput issues (on
>> networks which are not affected by the EEE problem, as reported here:
>> [1]).
>> The actual problem for the TX throughput issues was that the TX delay
>> was applied twice:
>> - once "accidentally" by the PHY (this was fixed with [2])
>> - once by the MAC because there was a hardcoded TX delay (of 2ns),
>> this will be configurable with the changes from [0]
>>
>> These are the dts changes which belong to my other series (in v2
>> these patches were part of the other series, upon request of the
>> net maintainers I have split the .dts changes into their own series so
>> we are able to take both through different trees):
>> "[PATCH net-next v3 0/2] stmmac: dwmac-meson8b: configurable
>> RGMII TX delay": [0].
>> Thus this series depends on the ACK for the binding changes in the
>> other series!
>>
>> I based these changes on my other series "[PATCH v2 0/2] GXL and GXM
>> SCPI improvements": [3]
> the DT binding changes for the meson8b-dwmac driver were ACK'ed by Rob
> Herring, so you can proceed with this series once you applied the SCPI
> patches.
Series queued for v4.11,
Thanks,
Kevin
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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman-rdvid1DuHRBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Martin Blumenstingl
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:52:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2wpe37sn1.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFBinCDpBew7wreNPn6=J3jKsw_Ok=Ed9_+Gxsefb661RvUdrA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Martin Blumenstingl's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:36:55 +0100")
Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> writes:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Martin Blumenstingl
> <martin.blumenstingl-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> This partially fixes the 1000Mbit/s ethernet TX throughput issues (on
>> networks which are not affected by the EEE problem, as reported here:
>> [1]).
>> The actual problem for the TX throughput issues was that the TX delay
>> was applied twice:
>> - once "accidentally" by the PHY (this was fixed with [2])
>> - once by the MAC because there was a hardcoded TX delay (of 2ns),
>> this will be configurable with the changes from [0]
>>
>> These are the dts changes which belong to my other series (in v2
>> these patches were part of the other series, upon request of the
>> net maintainers I have split the .dts changes into their own series so
>> we are able to take both through different trees):
>> "[PATCH net-next v3 0/2] stmmac: dwmac-meson8b: configurable
>> RGMII TX delay": [0].
>> Thus this series depends on the ACK for the binding changes in the
>> other series!
>>
>> I based these changes on my other series "[PATCH v2 0/2] GXL and GXM
>> SCPI improvements": [3]
> the DT binding changes for the meson8b-dwmac driver were ACK'ed by Rob
> Herring, so you can proceed with this series once you applied the SCPI
> patches.
Series queued for v4.11,
Thanks,
Kevin
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2016-12-02 23:47 [PATCH 0/5] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` [PATCH 1/5] ARM64: dts: meson-gx: move the MDIO node to meson-gx Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` [PATCH 2/5] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-odroidc2: add reset for the ethernet PHY Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` [PATCH 3/5] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p20x: " Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 19:22 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 19:22 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 19:22 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 21:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 21:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 21:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 10:36 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-18 10:36 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-18 10:36 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-18 14:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 14:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 14:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-vega-s95: " Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] ARM64: dts: amlogic: add the ethernet TX delay configuration Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-02 23:47 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-17 20:36 ` [PATCH 0/5] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-17 20:36 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2016-12-17 20:36 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-09 22:52 ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2017-01-09 22:52 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-09 22:52 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-17 19:23 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 19:23 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 19:23 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 21:09 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 21:09 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 21:09 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 22:26 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 22:26 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 22:26 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-17 22:44 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 22:44 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-17 22:44 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 19:28 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-18 19:28 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-18 19:28 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-18 19:40 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 19:40 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-18 19:40 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-19 9:47 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-19 9:47 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-19 9:47 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-odroidc2: add the ethernet PHY's reset GPIO Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p201: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:31 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 13:31 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 13:31 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 13:33 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:33 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:33 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-vega-s95: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-nexbox-a95x: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-hub: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-play2: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p20x: remove the ethernet node Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] ARM64: dts: amlogic: add the ethernet TX delay configuration Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gx: remove the phy-mode property from meson-gx Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 13:26 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 1/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-odroidc2: add the ethernet PHY's reset GPIO Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 2/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p200: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:18 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 16:18 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 16:18 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 16:21 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 16:21 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 16:21 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 17:07 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 17:07 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 17:07 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 17:46 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 17:46 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-20 17:46 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-01-22 16:48 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 16:48 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 16:48 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 3/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-vega-s95: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 4/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-nexbox-a95x: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 5/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-hub: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 6/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-play2: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:23 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 7/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p201: fix ethernet support Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 8/9] ARM64: dts: amlogic: add the ethernet TX delay configuration Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 16:34 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:34 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 16:34 ` Neil Armstrong
2017-01-20 15:22 ` [PATCH v3 9/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gx: remove the phy-mode property from meson-gx Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:22 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:27 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Jerome Brunet
2017-01-20 15:27 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-20 15:27 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-01-20 15:32 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:32 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 15:32 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-20 19:46 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-20 19:46 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-20 19:46 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 1/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-odroidc2: add the ethernet PHY's reset GPIO Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 2/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p200: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 3/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-vega-s95: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 4/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-nexbox-a95x: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 5/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-hub: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 6/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-play2: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 7/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p201: fix ethernet support Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 8/9] ARM64: dts: amlogic: add the ethernet TX delay configuration Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` [PATCH v4 9/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gx: remove the phy-mode property from meson-gx Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-22 18:10 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-23 18:55 ` [PATCH v4 0/9] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Kevin Hilman
2017-01-23 18:55 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-23 18:55 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-01-23 19:02 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-23 19:02 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-01-23 19:02 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-odroidc2: add the ethernet PHY's reset GPIO Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p200: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-vega-s95: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-nexbox-a95x: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-hub: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-wetek-play2: " Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gxbb-p201: fix ethernet support Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ARM64: dts: amlogic: add the ethernet TX delay configuration Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ARM64: dts: meson-gx: remove the phy-mode property from meson-gx Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-19 21:41 ` Martin Blumenstingl
2017-02-20 9:08 ` [PATCH v5 0/9] meson-gx: reset RGMII PHYs and configure TX delay Jerome Brunet
2017-02-20 9:08 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-02-20 9:08 ` Jerome Brunet
2017-03-02 17:02 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-03-02 17:02 ` Kevin Hilman
2017-03-02 17:02 ` Kevin Hilman
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