From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Bruce Rogers <brogers@novell.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] move 'unsafe' to end of caching modes in help
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:43:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3k4oijafd.fsf@trasno.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C4DE0F7.5010305@redhat.com> (Avi Kivity's message of "Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:24:39 +0300")
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 07/26/2010 10:03 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 07/26/2010 11:29 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 07/26/2010 07:26 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The help output is *not* a supported interface.
>>>>
>>>> There is no supported, usable interface for this.
>>>
>>> Well actually, libvirt could probe this by starting qemu with
>>> cache=x for various x and seeing if it breaks. But the milk has
>>> already been spilled.
>>
>> So we're stuck with supporting the help output as an interface
>> forever? Even with a capabilities system, what about old versions
>> of libvirt?
>
> No, the rate of crap generation seems to increase all the time, we
> have to get rid of it eventually. If we provide a replacement, give a
> warning, wait some months for libvirt^Wusers to catch up, and throw
> away the deprecated feature, we can remove any feature we like. This
> is still a fast moving field and users to upgrade. Just not every
> week.
>
>>
>> At some point in time, old versions of libvirt are going to stop
>> working with new versions of QEMU because the help output changes.
>> If libvirt switches to something more reliable (like versioning),
>> then the gap is closed until there is a capabilities system.
>>
>> There will be a breakage though and we shouldn't pretend that taking
>> this patch does anything other than delay that breakage.
>
> There's a difference between
> - planned breakage with a warning ahead of time
> - unplanned breakage
> - unplanned breakage with unwillingness to fix
Fully agree here. We have lots of (mis)features that we want to
remove. But one thing is just remove them, and another to remove
something before we create a valid alternative.
I am all for:
docs/deprecated-features.txt
And having there things that will be removed and when.
Later, Juan.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-26 19:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-21 20:32 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] move 'unsafe' to end of caching modes in help Bruce Rogers
2010-07-21 20:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-21 21:32 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-21 21:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-21 21:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-21 23:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-22 0:45 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-07-22 6:53 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-22 8:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-22 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-23 8:00 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-26 15:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 16:26 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 16:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 19:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 19:43 ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2010-07-26 16:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 16:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 18:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 19:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:43 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 20:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-27 8:11 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-27 9:47 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-07-27 12:30 ` Cole Robinson
2010-07-27 12:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-27 13:35 ` Cole Robinson
2010-07-27 8:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-08-03 9:43 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-07-27 8:56 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-22 13:45 ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-07-27 10:26 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-27 13:11 ` Bruce Rogers
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