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From: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
To: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: wireless: recap of current issues (configuration)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:05:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3oe2fd66w.fsf@defiant.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060113221935.GJ16166@tuxdriver.com> (John W. Linville's message of "Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:19:36 -0500")

"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes:

> Virtual devices will have a mode (e.g. station, AP, WDS, ad-hoc, rfmon,
> raw?, other modes?) which defines its "on the air" behaviour.  Should
> this mode be fixed when the wlan device is created?

I think so. If needed one can delete and create.

>  Or something
> that can be changed when the net_device is down?

IMHO: unnecessary complicates things.

> It may be necessary to remove, suspend, and/or disable wlan devices
> in order to add, resume, and/or enable other types of wlan devices
> on the same WiPHY device (especialy true for rfmon).  A mechanism is
> needed for drivers to be able to influence or disallow combinations
> of wlan devices in accordance with capabilities of the hardware.

If the control messages go through the main (WiPHY) driver it can
decide and/or forward the request further, to the library.

Not sure about netlink. OTOH I'm at all not sure netlink should be
used for configuration. sysfs, ioctl seem a better options. Netlink
is better for state monitoring etc. I don't know it very well though.

> Do "global" config requests go to any associated wlan device?

Are they any global config settings?
sysctl or sysfs maybe?

> Or must they be directed to the WiPHY device?  Does it matter?

If you mean "settings for a particular physical card" then WiPHY.

> I think we should require "global" configuration to target the WiPHY
> device, while "local" configuration remains with the wlan device.

If "local" means "concerning the wlan device" then sure, yes.

> (I'm not sure how important this point is?)  Either way, the WiPHY
> device will need some way to be able to reject configuration requests
> that are incompatible among its associated wlan devices.  Since the
> wlan interface implementations should not be device specific, perhaps
> the 802.11 stack can be smart enough to filter-out most conflicting
> config requests before they get to the WiPHY device?

I don't think so. The hardware driver should get the request first,
the rest should look like a library.

I've played with both approaches for years and I would avoid
"802.11 using the hw driver" scenario if at all possible.
-- 
Krzysztof Halasa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-14  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20060113195723.GB16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 21:26 ` wireless: recap of current issues (intro) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 21:26   ` John W. Linville
     [not found]   ` <20060113213011.GE16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:19     ` wireless: recap of current issues (configuration) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:32       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14  1:17         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14  9:28           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:47             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-14 22:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15 15:20             ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15 19:05               ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 17:09                 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:51                   ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:06                     ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 20:16                       ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 21:06                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 22:24                       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-16 23:02                         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-17 18:41                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 18:54                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-15 19:53               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 17:28                 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 17:54                   ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 19:40                     ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:14                       ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:58                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:39                   ` Dan Williams
2006-01-16 19:07                   ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:50                     ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:10                       ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-15 12:40         ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 15:51           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-15 17:53             ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 20:08               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-15 20:11                 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-17 22:20                   ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 19:39           ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16  0:06             ` Mike Kershaw
2006-01-16 14:23         ` Jiri Benc
2006-01-16 14:55           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-16 17:33             ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:00               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:16                 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14  0:05       ` Krzysztof Halasa [this message]
2006-01-14 23:41       ` Dan Williams
2006-01-15 16:18         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15  9:35       ` feyd
     [not found]   ` <20060113213126.GF16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:20     ` wireless: recap of current issues (compatibility) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:33       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:44         ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found]   ` <20060113213237.GH16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:24     ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:35       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:02         ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:09       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15  0:54         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-15  1:51         ` David S. Miller
2006-01-15 11:23           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2006-01-15 15:39         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 23:36           ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues / fake ethernet) Stefan Rompf
2006-01-18 16:32             ` Stuffed Crust
     [not found]   ` <20060113213311.GI16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:25     ` wireless: recap of current issues (actions) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:36       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:11       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15  0:56         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 14:44           ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]   ` <20060113213200.GG16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:22     ` wireless: recap of current issues (stack) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:34       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:03     ` Chase Venters
2006-01-13 23:03       ` Chase Venters
2006-01-14 10:46       ` Simon Kelley
2006-01-14 10:46         ` Simon Kelley
2006-01-14 23:29         ` Dan Williams
2006-01-14 23:29           ` Dan Williams
2006-01-14 13:51       ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-14 13:51         ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-17 17:38         ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-01-17 17:38           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-01-14 14:13     ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-01-15  4:42       ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-15 10:04         ` Ulrich Kunitz
     [not found] ` <43C80F9A.8020203@candelatech.com>
2006-01-13 22:49   ` wireless: recap of current issues Ben Greear

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