Re: [LARTC] HTB doesn't respect rate values

["Sergiusz Brzeziński" <Sergiusz.Brzezinski@s-gen.pl>]

U¿ytkownik devik napisa³:
>>I did pfifo with limit 10 and HTB started to work. I noticed drops and
>>rate was OK. Sometimes (for 10-40 seconds) but seldom it worked bad (1:2
>>got less, than it should) but there wasn't drops during this time. I
>>tried this also with 12kbit at it was similar.
>>
>>If I good understand, there is something (TCP stack or what) whitch
>>works BEVORE htb and this makes some connections slower or faster, so
>>HTB has later nothing to do.
>>
>>The question for me is: how can I set it (the mechanism bevore HTB) to
>>give HTB full control over the bandwitch? I don't wont to use pfifo (not
>>everywhere). I would like to use sfq for some classes.
> 
> 
> you can try to play with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_{w,r,}mem. If wmem is
> smaller than space in qdisc (15kB for 10 pfifo, approx 200kB for SFQ)
> then TCP will back off before it fill the qdisc...
> Also with sfq it should work - it is like pfifo with limit 128 - you
> might need to increase wmem.
> Note that the problem occur only when you have qdisc on the same machine
> as sending app.

- I did this:
# echo "4096 2048000 5120000" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem
than I tried if in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem there are really the new 
values (i set so high values because i wanted really be sure that the 
amount of memory will be OK :) - defaults where: 4096 16384 131072)

Well, it helped in 80%. Why only in 80? I repeated my test with SFQ and:

- it worked better than bevore, there where long time periods 
(15-20sec.) with right rate-values
- but class whitch should become 98kbit still got sometimes only 38kbit; 
it happen seldom and short but it was a fact!
- what was very strange: there were still no drops and no overlimits 
(!!!) in stats ("tc -s class show dev eth0"); in a test with "pfifo 
limit 10" I could see: when there were drops - the rate was OK, when 
there were no drops - the rate got lower than it should; with SFQ there 
were NO DROPS AT ALL so the question is: who (or what) really makes the 
whole work? It doesn't look like HTB-work.(have I right?)

Should I also do something with "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mem"?
Is the min value in tcp_wmem (4096) OK?
Do you have some more ideas?

I would make some experiments but I'm really not familiar with this 
theme. So the only thing I can do is to ask YOU or someone else from the 
group.

Sergiusz

>>U¿ytkownik devik napisa³:
>>
>>>Interestingly from what I see HTB didn't come into play.
>>>All drop and overlimits counters are zero. It seems that
>>>www server haven't managed to send more.
>>>Please try to add pfifo with limit 10 under both classes.
>>>Because you are sending from the same computer, your
>>>TCP stack uses send queue management which counts packets
>>>in qdisc and backs off. It MIGHT cause problems ...
>>>
>>>-------------------------------
>>>    Martin Devera aka devik
>>>Linux kernel QoS/HTB maintainer
>>>  http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/
>>>
>>>On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Sergiusz Brzeziñski wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thak you for your hints!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>1) 6kbit is really too small it should be at least 10 ..
>>>>
>>>>I tried with 12, 20 and even with 30kbit for 1:3
>>>>
>>>>I noticed, that it work for some seconds (or 1-2 minutes) but than the
>>>>1:3 class gets more then it should get :(.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2) it should workeven with 6k:
>>>>> - look at stats (tc -s class show dev eth0) before and
>>>>>   after the test - you are interested in drops. Also try
>>>>>   it during the test to look whether queues are build up.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I made a test with settings:
>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>tc qdisc del root dev eth0
>>>>tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1:0 htb default 3
>>>>
>>>>tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:1 htb rate 128kbit ceil
>>>>128kbit burst 20kbit
>>>>
>>>>tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:2 htb rate 98kbit ceil
>>>>128kbit quantum 4900 burst 20kbit
>>>>
>>>>tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:3 htb rate 30kbit ceil
>>>>128kbit quantum 1500
>>>>
>>>>tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip sport
>>>>80 0xffff flowid 1:2
>>>>
>>>>Bevore test: (reseted htb)
>>>>--------------------------------
>>>># tc -s class show dev eth0
>>>>
>>>>class htb 1:1 root rate 128Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 2559b cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 0 bytes 0 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> lended: 0 borrowed: 0 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: 244140 ctokens: 168131
>>>>
>>>>class htb 1:2 parent 1:1 prio 0 rate 98Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 2559b
>>>>cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 0 bytes 0 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> lended: 0 borrowed: 0 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: 318876 ctokens: 168131
>>>>
>>>>class htb 1:3 parent 1:1 prio 0 rate 30Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 1637b
>>>>cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 0 bytes 0 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> lended: 0 borrowed: 0 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: 666503 ctokens: 168131
>>>>
>>>>After test:
>>>>------------
>>>>class htb 1:1 root rate 128Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 2559b cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 5843869 bytes 4715 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> rate 15427bps 12pps
>>>> lended: 1461 borrowed: 0 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: -21142 ctokens: -97151
>>>>
>>>>class htb 1:2 parent 1:1 prio 0 rate 98Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 2559b
>>>>cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 2735702 bytes 1811 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> rate 6397bps 4pps
>>>> lended: 1802 borrowed: 9 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: 312898 ctokens: 163555
>>>>
>>>>class htb 1:3 parent 1:1 prio 0 rate 30Kbit ceil 128Kbit burst 1637b
>>>>cburst 1762b
>>>> Sent 3108167 bytes 2904 pkts (dropped 0, overlimits 0)
>>>> rate 9488bps 8pps
>>>> lended: 1452 borrowed: 1452 giants: 0
>>>> tokens: -561135 ctokens: -97151
>>>>
>>>>Description of the test:
>>>>------------------------
>>>>On the beginning it was everything OK, after 1 min, 1:2 lost his 98kbit.
>>>>Than he got sometimes his 98kbit again and sometimes he got even 30kbit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. Can I do something more to find out what happen?
>>>>2. What does mean: "queues are build up" ?
>>>>
>>>>Sergiusz
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


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