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From: Lutz Vieweg <lvml@5t9.de>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.4 Release Notes: "Btrfs has been deprecated" - wut?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:55:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <olsi37$qhm$1@blaine.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1cfc817b-2f35-9ca5-9d6c-ab2c6ec53ba9@gmail.com>

On 08/02/2017 01:25 PM, Austin S. Hemmelgarn wrote:
> And this is a worst-case result of the fact that most
> distros added BTRFS support long before it was ready.

RedHat still advertises "Ceph", and given Ceph initially recommended btrfs as
the filesystem to use for its nodes, it is interesting to read how clearly
they recommend against btrfs now:

http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/configuration/filesystem-recommendations/
> We recommand against using btrfs due to the lack of a stable version
> to test against and frequent bugs in the ENOSPC handling.

German IT magazine "Golem" speculates that RedHat's decision
is influenced by its recent acquisition of Permabit.

But I don't really see how XFS or Permabit tackle the problem
that if you need to create consistent backups of file systems while they are
in use, block-device level snapshots damage the write performance
big time.

(That backup topic is the one reason we use btrfs for a lot of
/home/ directories.)

I understand that XFS is expected to get some COW-features in the future
as well - but it remains to be seen what performance and robustness
implications that will have on XFS.

Regards,

Lutz Vieweg


  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-02 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-02  8:38 RedHat 7.4 Release Notes: "Btrfs has been deprecated" - wut? Brendan Hide
2017-08-02  9:11 ` Wang Shilong
2017-08-03 19:18   ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-02 11:25 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-02 12:55   ` Lutz Vieweg [this message]
2017-08-02 13:47     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-02 18:44 ` Chris Mason
2017-08-02 22:12   ` Fajar A. Nugraha
2017-08-02 22:22 ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-03  9:59   ` Lutz Vieweg
2017-08-03 18:08 ` waxhead
2017-08-03 18:29   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-03 19:22     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-03 20:45       ` Brendan Hide
2017-08-03 22:00         ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-04 11:26         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-03 19:03   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-04  9:48     ` Duncan
2017-08-16 18:07   ` David Sterba
2017-08-04 14:05 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-04 23:55   ` Wang Shilong
2017-08-07 15:27   ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-10  0:35     ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-12  0:10       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-12  7:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-12 11:51           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-12 12:12             ` Hugo Mills
2017-08-13 14:08               ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14  7:08                 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 14:23                   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14 19:08                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-14 20:27                       ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14  6:36           ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14  7:43             ` Paul Jones
2017-08-14  7:46               ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 12:32                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-14 12:58                   ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 12:24             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-14 14:23               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-14 15:13                 ` Graham Cobb
2017-08-14 15:53                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-14 16:42                     ` Graham Cobb
2017-08-14 19:54                     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-15 11:37                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-15 14:41                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-15 15:43                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 13:12                       ` Chris Mason
2017-08-16 13:31                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-16 13:53                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 14:11                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-16 15:07                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 17:26                                 ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-16 18:19                             ` David Sterba
2017-08-16 16:54                           ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-16 13:56                         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 14:01                         ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-16 19:52                           ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-17  6:25                             ` GWB
2017-08-17 11:47                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-17 19:00                                 ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-17 20:34                                   ` GWB
2017-08-16 16:44                         ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-14 19:39                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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