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From: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war
Date: 30 Aug 2001 18:26:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5glmk16v79.fsf@egghead.curl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108292018380.1062-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <20010830165447Z16272-32385+540@humbolt.nl.linux.org> <m266b51c5c.fsf@barnowl.demon.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/m266b51c5c.fsf@barnowl.demon.co.uk>

Graham Murray <graham@barnowl.demon.co.uk> writes:

> Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net> writes:
> 
> > More than anything, it shows that education is needed, not macro patch-ups.
> > We have exactly the same issues with < and >, should we introduce 
> > three-argument macros to replace them?
> 
> Would it not have been much more "obvious" if the rules for
> unsigned/signed integer comparisons (irrespective of the widths
> involved) were
> 
> 1) If the signed element is negative then it is always less than the
>    unsigned element.
> 
> 2) If the unsigned element is greater than then maximum positive value
>    expressible by the signed one then it is always greater.
> 
> 3) Only if both values are positive and within the range of the
>    smaller element are the actual values compared. 

With infinite-precision arithmetic, yes; of course min() should just
return the smaller value.

But what would the C type of "min" be for comparing, say, signed and
unsigned longs?  The range of possible results does not fit in any
integral type.  (Repeat the question for signed/unsigned "long long"
if "long long" is your answer.)

 - Pat

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-30 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-24 22:42 [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war Brad Chapman
2001-08-24 23:21 ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-24 23:58   ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:13     ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25  0:25       ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:34         ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25  0:53           ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  1:15             ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-25 11:21               ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-27  0:02               ` Rusty Russell
2001-08-28  4:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28  5:20                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-28  5:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 11:10                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-28 14:15                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 20:06                         ` John Alvord
2001-08-28 12:42                   ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 13:27                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 14:19                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 15:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-28 15:44                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-08-28 15:55                             ` Russell King
2001-08-28 16:05                             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-28 16:53                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 16:39                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 21:51                             ` Mike Castle
2001-08-29  0:33                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-29  1:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-29 15:42                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-29 16:02                                 ` David Lang
2001-08-29 23:49                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30  2:05                                     ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-30  3:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 13:10                                       ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 13:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 13:26                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 16:09                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 16:28                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-31 12:50                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-31 13:45                                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 16:27                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-30 16:31                                           ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-30 16:38                                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 19:51                                             ` David Weinehall
2001-08-30 20:16                                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 20:31                                               ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]                                             ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200108301638.SAA04923@nbd.it.uc3m.es>
2001-08-30 22:42                                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2001-08-30 23:27                                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  0:55                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31  1:28                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 13:22                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 14:02                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31 15:34                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 22:25                                                         ` [PATCH] i386 SA_INTERRUPT logic Jonathan Lundell
2001-08-31 12:01                                                   ` [IDEA+RFC] Possible solution for min()/max() war Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 12:13                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 12:58                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 13:29                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 14:12                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 14:28                                                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31 16:30                                                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-09-07  0:52                                                   ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-09-07  7:26                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-09-07 12:28                                                       ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-07 18:03                                                         ` Mark H. Wood
2001-09-07 10:58                                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-09-07 14:39                                                       ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-09-07 15:17                                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 13:49                                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-30 16:21                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 16:41                                           ` Christopher Friesen
2001-08-30 16:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 17:13                                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31  1:28                                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-31  5:08                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-31 12:37                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-31 13:54                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-30 17:01                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30 17:03                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 17:26                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-31  8:04                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-08-30 21:16                                         ` Graham Murray
2001-08-30 21:47                                           ` David Weinehall
2001-08-31 10:10                                             ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]                                           ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/m266b51c5c.fsf@barnowl.demon.co.uk>
2001-08-30 22:26                                             ` Patrick J. LoPresti [this message]
2001-08-28 16:09                         ` Andreas Schwab
2001-08-28 16:47                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 17:12                             ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-28 17:28                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-28 17:29                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-26 17:59             ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-08-24 23:59   ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:07     ` David S. Miller
2001-08-25  0:18       ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-25  0:23         ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <20010825021651.I8296@router.ranmachan.dyndns.org>
2001-08-25  0:21 ` Brad Chapman
     [not found] <20010825024248.J8296@router.ranmachan.dyndns.org>
2001-08-25  0:54 ` Brad Chapman
     [not found] <200108281746.f7SHk1O27199@lists.us.dell.com>
2001-08-28 19:33 ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 19:02   ` David Lang
2001-08-28 20:38     ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 19:25       ` David Lang
2001-08-28 20:34   ` Andreas Schwab
2001-08-28 20:42     ` Brad Chapman
2001-08-28 21:04       ` Christopher Friesen
2001-08-29  9:03       ` Helge Hafting
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-29  1:33 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
     [not found] <200108291905.f7TJ59T11456@wildsau.idv-edu.uni-linz.ac.at>
2001-08-29 19:11 ` Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30  9:56 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 13:09 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-30 17:32 mike_phillips
2001-08-30 17:45 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-08-30 20:35 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 20:44 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 21:06 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 21:14   ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 21:32     ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 21:47       ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 21:56         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 22:13           ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 22:47             ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 23:02               ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-31  0:08           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-30 21:49       ` Mark Zealey
2001-08-30 22:06         ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 22:14           ` Mark Zealey
2001-08-31  7:04   ` Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-30 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-30 21:45   ` Thomas Dodd
2001-08-30 21:46   ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-30 23:16   ` David Woodhouse
2001-08-30 23:33   ` David Wagner
2001-08-31 11:18   ` Bernd Schmidt
     [not found] <791753058.999219857@[169.254.198.40]>
2001-08-31  0:57 ` Peter T. Breuer
     [not found] <20010830174227.A10673@furble>
2001-08-31  1:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  2:10   ` Peter T. Breuer
2001-08-31  7:43   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-08-31  8:27     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-31  2:34 Andy Chou
2001-08-31  2:48 Rick Hohensee
2001-08-31 14:28 Martin Knoblauch
2001-08-31 14:28 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 14:37 ` Herbert Rosmanith
     [not found] <fa.ehba65v.10i6abc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.odqvefv.g4k4j6@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-31 15:45   ` ctm
2001-08-31 16:57     ` Roman Zippel
2001-08-31 17:41 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 17:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-31 18:13 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 18:24 Herbert Rosmanith
2001-08-31 18:29 Andy Chou
2001-08-31 18:52 ` Roman Zippel
     [not found] <fa.eeq0k8v.1v28iaa@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-31 18:40 ` Ted Unangst
2001-09-03 20:35 David desJardins
2001-09-04  8:08 ` VDA
2001-09-03 23:16 David desJardins
2001-09-04  9:09 VDA
2001-09-04 13:17 Petr Vandrovec
2001-09-06  1:51 Rick Hohensee
2001-09-06 10:12 ` VDA
     [not found] <m2bskndlkt.fsf@sympatico.ca>
2001-09-07 17:39 ` Peter T. Breuer

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