From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759445AbYEOQgj (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:36:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751641AbYEOQgc (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:36:32 -0400 Received: from mail.suse.de ([195.135.220.2]:51910 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751506AbYEOQga (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:36:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: Takashi Iwai To: Theodore Tso Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Roberto Oppedisano , Stas Sergeev Subject: Re: [Bug #10679] 2.6.26-rc1 regression: e5e1d3cb20034a3cbcfff1f0bae12201aa2ce17e breaks artsd In-Reply-To: <20080515130654.GC18825@mit.edu> References: <88YBFoyd1CN.A._sF.Ov1JIB@chimera> <20080514212011.GH7054@mit.edu> <20080515130654.GC18825@mit.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.5 (beta28) (fuki) (+CVS-20070806) (i386-suse-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org At Thu, 15 May 2008 09:06:54 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:41:06AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > Sounds reasonable. To where should it be added, BTW? > > Little people seem to care about Kconfig help texts, and an extra > > comment block (with depends on SND_PCSP) could be annoying... > > That's a good question. A note that including including this module > could potentially cause sound cards to be renumbered might be > reasonable, since I suspect most users (and most application > programs!) have been accustomed to only having one sound card, and so > building this module may cause sound cards to be renumbered in Kconfig > would at least be a start. Yes. > I know this wouldn't help users of distro kernels, but this would at > least be one way of warning distro maintainers to think twice about > enabling it as a module. Well, yeah, for distro kernels, it's then a problem of distributors :) > BTW, what *is* the utility of this card, and > how do you use it? I haven't been able to figure out how to use it do > anything entertaining at all. Any attempts to use it on my system > just lead to various confusing error messages. It looks like a problem in the recent alsa-lib. This driver works fine without dmix, e.g. "aplay -Dplughw:1 foo.wav" works. I'll investigate later. > Also, BTW, it might be nice to remove the following hunk of text from > drivers/sound/Kconfig: > > I'm told that even without a sound card, you can make your computer > say more than an occasional beep, by programming the PC speaker. > Kernel patches and supporting utilities to do that are in the pcsp > package, available at . > > What's there at the above URL is for the 2.2 and 2.4 kernels, and the > utilities at pcsnd-kit.tar.gz don't work (and didn't compile until I > futzed with them slightly). OK, I'll clean it up, too. > So I'm still rather puzzled how to make the snd-pcsp actually do > anything useful, unless it simply doesn't work on my Thinkpad. (Is it > normal that the sound volume levels reported by alsamixer can be muted > or unmounted, but always report 0, and can't be adjusted up?) It can be adjusted via alsa-lib softvol plugin. That is, the volume attenuation is done in the user-space, not in the driver. thanks, Takashi