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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Tianyi Gao <tianyi@cloudflare.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/8] net: add tx_extra_headroom and LL_ALLOC_SPACE()
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 22:27:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <willemdebruijn.kernel.37fb7add3354a@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261110201250.95225-1-tianyi@cloudflare.com>

Tianyi Gao wrote:
> Hi Willem,
> 
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 11:23:09 -0500, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > I have some hope that if there is sufficient reason, this backlinking
> > to the originating netdev (or socket?) can eventually be addressed as
> > well. Rather than work around it.
> >
> > The skb_orphan and iif issues are well know. But not set in stone.
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion. I looked at what backlinking would take.
> 
> For the socket, ip_rcv_core() orphans the skb, and after that skb->sk
> holds the receiving socket, for tproxy and early demux. Keeping the
> sender's socket there would break that assumption.
> 
> For the netdev, skb_iif is the last receiving device, not the
> allocating one. So keeping the origin needs new state in the skb,
> such as an skb extension.
> 
> Even with a backlink, the kernel still needs to know when to adjust
> tx_extra_headroom of the originating netdev. This brings back
> auto-tuning, with the problems from my earlier reply.
> 
> Taking a step back, IMHO it is more natural to set the extra headroom
> indication on the netdev that the skb is allocated for, than to have
> other devices raise it through a backlink, which can get messy.

As said, the problem with that is that an admin has to do it, each
time. Whereas the kernel has this information.

> For v2, I would prefer the narrow VETH_INFO_TX_EXTRA_HEADROOM UAPI,
> following what has been done for IFLA_NETKIT_HEADROOM. I will put it
> in the last two patches, so the rest of the series can be taken
> without it if you prefer.

Ok. I don't expect this to be solved in this series.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11  3:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-07  3:34 [PATCH net-next 0/8] net: configurable extra TX headroom for local egress Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 1/8] net: add tx_extra_headroom and LL_ALLOC_SPACE() Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07 14:51   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-11-07 18:25     ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-08 15:13       ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-11-08 21:43         ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-10 14:48           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-11-09  3:08         ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-11-09 15:49           ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-10 16:23             ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-11-10 20:12               ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-11  3:27                 ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2026-11-11 20:23             ` David Keogh
2026-11-11 20:37               ` David Keogh
2026-11-11 21:41                 ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-11 23:19                   ` David Keogh
2026-11-12  0:03                     ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 2/8] net: reserve extra TX headroom for local egress Tianyi Gao
2026-11-08  3:35   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 22:22     ` Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 3/8] rtnetlink: add IFLA_TX_EXTRA_HEADROOM Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 4/8] selftests: net: add tx_extra_headroom test Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 5/8] selftests: net: tx_extra_headroom: test a push at TC egress Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 6/8] selftests: net: add flag to send a frame in xdp_helper Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 7/8] selftests: net: tx_extra_headroom: test generic XDP on the veth peer Tianyi Gao
2026-11-07  3:34 ` [PATCH net-next 8/8] selftests: net: tx_extra_headroom: test veth peer at creation Tianyi Gao
2026-11-10 15:38   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-11-10 15:45     ` Tianyi Gao

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