From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] Remove 'git archimport' Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 11:19:54 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1399599203-13991-1-git-send-email-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <1399599203-13991-2-git-send-email-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Felipe Contreras , Git Mailing List , Eric Wong , Martin Langhoff To: Martin Langhoff X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue May 13 20:20:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WkHJE-0008It-Ra for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 13 May 2014 20:20:13 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754072AbaEMSUH (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 May 2014 14:20:07 -0400 Received: from smtp.pobox.com ([208.72.237.35]:58666 "EHLO smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753277AbaEMSUA (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 May 2014 14:20:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31449166D7; Tue, 13 May 2014 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=o77zR5LYnQ5irZU/n6W1rUh3UPg=; b=derC6U mkpMnZmpZoX+taM9/VmAJ9/MZXexkEYk+Im08bV4Wf/sNZBBDxFyhB8bccplOFOn MJBu4qqH0/4b/4ZFsTTxpTzBWGI3tyX+DRErs7m5EtDGmBAKoKHo2Cjrmb5CByk4 WWjtKEbxZJOwpQxOoDXAt5tYgNZ5eomMVMwns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=gLSgEO3sYPm53xgKl7wlyFNtYnOiYAOy ZypyhUT/FoTn4vnRMx6zotLKkZdEGKeM2sdkDpcV7KP++0D04VRf5sgihCVZwjEW KWBAnvl1kk4XJqptup8xl5tSKJys/lYv0dYzmV1ByBGcDKyEtpFicQMEJ/bzaHrg uY8wJsbWPQ0= Received: from pb-smtp0.int.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263B5166D6; Tue, 13 May 2014 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [72.14.226.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63BA8166D2; Tue, 13 May 2014 14:19:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Martin Langhoff's message of "Tue, 13 May 2014 14:01:24 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 2FB55652-DACB-11E3-8758-9CEB01674E00-77302942!pb-smtp0.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Martin Langhoff writes: > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> No updates since 2010, and no tests. > > NAK. > > IMHO, this is quite unfriendly. > > Is this removal based on your opinion, or Junio's position (or > consensus from maintainers from the list)? If there is a clear > consensus or direction for old code such as this, please let me know > (but copy martin.langhoff@gmail.com, not just my very old address!). > >> Plus, foreign SCM tools should live out-of-tree anyway. > > Says who? Is there consensus on this? > > It's generally the privilege of the maintainer -- in this case Junio > or perhaps Linus -- to take harsh stances like this. > > Junio, what's your position? We may think longer when somebody proposes to add a new thing that may better live outside our tree (including the contrib/ area) than we used to, simply because Git is more mature these days and the ecosystem is there to support successful third-party tools, but removal of existing subcommands needs to weigh the impact of such a removal to existing users. "No recent updates" does not say anything with respect to that---we cannot tell between "The tool is perfect to fill needs of the users" and "Even though the users are reporting issues, the area maintainer is not being responsive" by non activity alone, and we know there weren't many unresponded issues in the recent past. "There is no longer any project that still hosts anything worth salvaging in tla", if such a claim can be substantiated, might be a valid reason to propose a removal, but I do not think this is such a proposal.