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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Cc: Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>,
	 Olamide Caleb Bello <belkid98@gmail.com>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,  christian.couder@gmail.com,
	usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com,  kaartic.sivaraam@gmail.com,
	 me@ttaylorr.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/8] environment: move "trust_ctime" into `struct repo_config_values`
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:15:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqa4v5bgzn.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53f43b85-b274-4352-938b-d40f942bfb2d@gmail.com> (Phillip Wood's message of "Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:35:50 +0100")

Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com> writes:

> On 14/04/2026 09:52, Karthik Nayak wrote:
> ...
>> Nit: I was hoping you'd also shed light on why this can go into
>> `repo_config_values()`. Does it need to be eagerly parsed? If so, why?
>
> If trust_ctime was lazily parsed where it is used we'd end up dying in 
> match_stat_data() which would be quite unexpected, make it very hard to 
> reason about the code, and hamper the libification efforts. I'd much 
> rather we put the onus on patch authors to justify any conversion from 
> eager parsing to lazy parsing rather than forcing them to justify 
> continuing to parse settings eagerly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phillip

I too often get confused while looking at these "global static
variables holding parsed configuration values are bad, let's move it
elsewhere" patches between the on-demand and upfront parsing.

I agree that what has traditionally been parsed upfront are mostly
fundamental things (e.g., in core.* namespace) that is better parsed
upfront, and what has been parsed on-demand are often very operation
specific thing whose misspelt values do not matter when we are not
running that specific operation, so it is better parsed on-demand.
There may be exceptions and some variables that the current code
parses upfront might be better parsed on-demand and vice versa, but
the default for these rewrite effort ought to be to keep the
existing semantics unless there is a good justification for changing
it.

Thanks for injecting a dose of sanity so clearly.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-14 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-24 12:37 [PATCH v2 0/8] repo_config_values: migrate more globals Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] environment: move "trust_ctime" into `struct repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-14  8:52   ` Karthik Nayak
2026-04-14  9:35     ` Phillip Wood
2026-04-14 17:15       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2026-04-15 11:16       ` Karthik Nayak
2026-04-15 15:49         ` Junio C Hamano
2026-04-15 19:09           ` Karthik Nayak
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] environment: move "check_stat" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-14  8:55   ` Karthik Nayak
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] environment: move `zlib_compression_level` into repo_config_values Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-14  8:58   ` Karthik Nayak
2026-04-14 14:32     ` Bello Olamide
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] environment: move "pack_compression_level" into `struct repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] environment: move "precomposed_unicode" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-14  9:07   ` Karthik Nayak
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] env: move "core_sparse_checkout_cone" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] env: put "sparse_expect_files_outside_of_patterns" in `repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-03-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] env: move "warn_on_object_refname_ambiguity" into `repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-14  9:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] repo_config_values: migrate more globals Karthik Nayak
2026-04-14 14:26   ` Bello Olamide
2026-04-23 16:08   ` [PATCH v3 " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] Revert "compat/posix: introduce writev(3p) wrapper" Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] rust: we are way beyond 2.53 Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] doc: am: revert Message-ID trailer claim Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] doc: am: correct to full --no-message-id Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] CI: bump actions/checkout from 4 to 5 for rust-analysis job Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] gitglossary: fix indentation of sub-lists Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] Hopefully the final tweak before -rc2 Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:08     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] Git 2.54-rc2 Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:37     ` [PATCH v3 0/8] repo_config_values: migrate more globals Bello Olamide
2026-04-23 16:54   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] environment: move core config globals into repo_config_values Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] environment: move "trust_ctime" into `struct repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] environment: move "check_stat" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] environment: move `zlib_compression_level` " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] environment: move "pack_compression_level" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] environment: move "precomposed_unicode" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-05-15 17:15       ` Tian Yuchen
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] env: move "core_sparse_checkout_cone" " Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] env: move "sparse_expect_files_outside_of_patterns" into `repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-23 16:54     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] env: move "warn_on_object_refname_ambiguity" into `struct repo_config_values` Olamide Caleb Bello
2026-04-26  0:01     ` [PATCH v3 0/8] environment: move core config globals into repo_config_values Junio C Hamano
2026-04-26  0:31       ` Bello Olamide
2026-05-11  2:56         ` Junio C Hamano

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