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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca>
Cc: "Julia Evans" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
	 "D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	 "Patrick Steinhardt" <ps@pks.im>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] doc: add an explanation of Git's data model
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2025 15:07:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqo6pde90w.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07cca81a-10fd-49aa-b175-17b49e4f1116@app.fastmail.com> (Julia Evans's message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2025 16:40:08 -0500")

"Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca> writes:

> I wonder if it would help to de-emphasize the octal representation
> of the file modes, and instead give them names since (from a
> data model section Git's file modes are really more like an enum with
> 5 values than )
>
> Something like this:
>
> 	Git has 5 file modes:
>
> 	  - *regular file* (with <<object,object type>> `blob`)
> 	  - *executable file* (with type `blob`)
> 	  - *symbolic link* (with type `blob`)
> 	  - *directory* (with type `tree`)
> 	  - *gitlink*, for use with submodules (with type `commit`)
>
> 	NOTE: Git normally displays file modes in the same format as Unix file modes
> 	(100644, 100755, 120000, 040000, and 160000 respectively), but file modes are
> 	only spiritually related to Unix file modes.

Then, I would suggest further deemphasize the "file modes" even
more.  

    * Git stores/tracks 5 different file types, which are
      non-executable files, executable files, symbolic links,
      directories, and gitlinks.

    * Git uses one bitpattern each to mark these 5 different kinds
      of things in tree objects.  These bitpatterns were loosely
      modelled after UNIX file mode bits.

The first half entirely avoids saying "mode" and that is very
deliberate.

> ... I do not understand in what way this rephrasing helps the
> reader, or how you think the current phrasing might cause confusion for the
> reader.

A branch (or any ref) does *not* *REFERENCE* an ID.  They refer to
objects by *recording* an ID.  The distinction is not clear with
your wording.

>> Another thing we discussed and a better alternative offered during
>> the last round was "base directory", to which Patrick mentioned 
>> "we rather consistently use 'root tree'"
>>
>>  cf. https://lore.kernel.org/git/aQhcbHJjiI5GtV6Y@pks.im/
>
> I think it would be better to stick with "directory" here, because I've gotten
> several reader comments saying that they do not understand the
> term "tree" when it is used as a synonym for "directory".
>
> Maybe "root directory"?

I am OK with "root" but that is conditional; only if it is not used
together with the word "directory".  We are not talking about "root
directory" where common directories like /usr, /etc, /dev and /tmp
hang immediately below.  If we use the word "directory", I'd
strongly prefer to see it with adjective like "top-level" that
implies that it is something different from "root directory" but is
relative to the project in question.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-03 17:34 [PATCH] doc: add a explanation of Git's data model Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-03 21:46 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-06 19:36   ` Julia Evans
2025-10-06 21:44     ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-06 21:46       ` Julia Evans
2025-10-06 21:55         ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-09 13:20           ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08  9:59     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-06  3:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-06 19:03   ` Julia Evans
2025-10-07 12:37   ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-07 16:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 14:32 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-07 17:02   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 19:30     ` Julia Evans
2025-10-07 20:01       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 18:39   ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-07 18:55   ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08  4:18     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-08 15:53       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 19:06         ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08 13:53 ` [PATCH v2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-10 11:51   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-13 14:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-14  5:45       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-14  9:18         ` Julia Evans
2025-10-14 11:45           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-14 13:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-14 21:12   ` [PATCH v3] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-15  6:24     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-15 15:34       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-15 17:20         ` Julia Evans
2025-10-15 20:42           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 14:21             ` Julia Evans
2025-10-15 19:58     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 15:19       ` Julia Evans
2025-10-16 16:54         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 18:59           ` Julia Evans
2025-10-16 20:48             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 15:24     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-20 16:37     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-20 18:01       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-27 19:32     ` [PATCH v4] doc: add an " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-27 21:54       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 20:10         ` Julia Evans
2025-10-28 20:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-30 20:32       ` [PATCH v5] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-31 14:44         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03  7:40           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-11-03 15:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03 19:43           ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04  1:34             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-04 15:45               ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04 20:53                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-04 21:24                   ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04 23:45                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-05  0:02                       ` Julia Evans
2025-11-05  3:21                         ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-05 16:26                           ` Julia Evans
2025-11-06  3:07                             ` Ben Knoble
2025-10-31 21:49         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03  7:40         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-11-03 19:52           ` Julia Evans
2025-11-07 19:52         ` [PATCH v6] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-11-07 21:03           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-07 21:23           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-07 21:40             ` Julia Evans
2025-11-07 23:07               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-11-08 19:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-09  0:48                 ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-09  4:59                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-10 15:56                     ` Julia Evans
2025-11-11 10:13                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-11 13:07                         ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-11 15:24                         ` Julia Evans
2025-11-12 19:16                           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-12 22:49                             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-13 19:50                               ` Julia Evans
2025-11-13 20:07                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-13 20:18                                 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-13 20:34                                   ` Chris Torek
2025-11-13 23:11                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-12 19:53           ` [PATCH v7] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-11-12 20:26             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-23  2:37             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-12-01  8:14               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-02 12:25                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-09 14:20 ` [PATCH] doc: add a " Julia Evans
2025-10-10  0:42   ` Ben Knoble

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