From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: Why are submodules not automatically handled by default or at least configurable to do so? Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:53:28 -0700 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Chris Packham , John Smith , GIT , Jens Lehmann To: Stefan Beller X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Oct 26 20:53:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zqnpo-0001Bc-Uc for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:53:37 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751978AbbJZTxc (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:53:32 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp0.int.icgroup.com ([208.72.237.35]:51141 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751603AbbJZTxb (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:53:31 -0400 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BD826386; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=bmpfHEU/FZCWXGuqUCqw9cOQ4dg=; b=TKfi2D ObeVvakKDYKUwKsOH+feZEgI7PSYLn8eN1NdbuLh/SOv81m5gcoI4XyEDE63SWEJ sYQcKZYACJMU+q+YOUxnI8K2oROWizdrMxjwV9WzeNJjdQcPm5pv/IirX2MMXAr2 nhx2+Fd0gBtZNg3S9vyrdwVMZtebOrqD5S7QA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=Cx8OdfnGnGS1gC0qsYzKDYF2HH2x92TI BuG5cjmD8SyWF53Mel2AQqqrP2vuRS97PLXxF5RWo5Sl1V/mO7nlrZUpAaTwXV5N yB4SwwWcums67PlKASrG07Fs5755ChL80dS/T47TP0fM8VtEPKBs6YrliXzRpc93 1iWKva9+oEA= Received: from pb-smtp0.int.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC9526385; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [216.239.45.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp0.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1489E26382; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Beller's message of "Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:28:11 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 3B11B7FA-7C1B-11E5-A891-6BD26AB36C07-77302942!pb-smtp0.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Stefan Beller writes: > IIUC at the time submodules were invented, there was need for lots of > code to be written. > Each command needed new code to deal with submodules. As there was not > enough people/time > to do it properly, the "do nothing" was the safest action which could > be added fast. That is quite different from how I remember. Soon after Linus and I added the Gitlink in early Apr 20007, an early subproject/gitlink (thought) experiment was started with help from folks like Steven Grimm, Jan Hudec, Petr Baudis, Alex Riesen etc. The first principle of the design throughout that era was "we admit that we do not know all the use cases, so let's start small and solid and make sure that small-and-solid thing can later be enhanced as people discover the way how they want to work" (you can see me expressing that sentiment in $gmane/48287, for example). So it wasn't "not enough people to do it properly" at all. It was "we admit that we do not know what is proper, so we defer to actual users to define what is proper for them".