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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Cc: "Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Patrick Steinhardt" <ps@pks.im>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	"Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	rsbecker@nexbridge.com,
	"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
	"Josh Soref" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Christian Brabandt" <cb@256bit.org>,
	"Eli Schwartz" <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	"Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Matthias Aßhauer" <mha1993@live.de>,
	"Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>,
	"Collin Funk" <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	"Mike Hommey" <mh@glandium.org>,
	"Pierre-Emmanuel Patry" <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	"D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	"Ramsay Jones" <ramsay@ramsayjones.plus.com>,
	"Ezekiel Newren" <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	"Josh Steadmon" <steadmon@google.com>,
	"Calvin Wan" <calvinwan@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/15] xdiff: introduce rust
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2025 08:37:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqplc43o7c.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ba386547-10e0-45e2-95ad-c47e84919abf@gmail.com> (Phillip Wood's message of "Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:14:43 +0100")

Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com> writes:

>     This release introduces an optional dependency on rust that is
>     enabled by default. Platforms without a rust compiler can continue
>     to build git by passing NO_RUST=1. In six months time we plan to
>     make rust mandatory for building git. From that point git 2.x.y (the
>     last version that can be built without rust) will continue to
>     receive security updates for three years.
>
> To me the important elements are:
>
> 1) There is a short period where rust is optional. This allows
>    (i) Distributors on platforms without a rust compiler time to notify
>        their users that in the future they will only be able to offer
>        security updates.
>   (ii) Distributors on platforms with a rust compiler time to adjust
>        their build procedures to include rust.
>  (iii) The git project time to gain experience of using rust and writing
>        the necessary bindings while building with it is optional.

Good.  I am not sure "short" should be an important element, but
having a known and agreed-upon deadline helps.

> 2) Rust is enabled by default so platforms without a rust compiler are
>    made aware of the problem but have an easy way to continue to build
>    git while rust is optional.

Obviously there is nothing to disagree with here, as it is the
definition of the word "optional" ;-).

> 3) There is a period of a small number of years where we continue to
>    provide security updates for a version of git that can be built
>    without rust. This is intended to  allow a realistic time for
>    distributors on platforms without a rust compiler to port one or make
>    other arrangements for providing future security updates without
>    placing an undue burden on the project to provide security updates
>    for niche platforms indefinitely.

I am not willing to see such a support for multiple years, though.
If the first item is 6 months, this backporting stale releases
should be on the same order of timeperiod.

If it were "3 years of optional period, 18 months of backporting
security updates", I would find it more realistic.  It would give
those platform maintainers enough time to robby, fundraise, or
otherwise campaign to bring Rust on their system.  I personally find
that 6 months is way too short (if we are _only_ looking for an
excuse to say "we have given them ample time to react, and now it is
their problem", 6 months may be good enough, though).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 20:32 [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 1/7] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:30   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 21:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 22:39     ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 23:15     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-23 21:57       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-23 22:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 19:11         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 22:37           ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 22:02     ` Mike Hommey
2025-07-22 23:52       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:38   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 2/7] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:41   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 3/7] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 4/7] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:46   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 23:13     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 23:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18  0:23         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:21       ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:35   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 19:34     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-28 19:52       ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:14         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 14:20           ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-31 20:58             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-01  9:14               ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 20:00       ` Collin Funk
2025-07-20  1:39   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:59   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:34   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 23:29   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 19:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-31 21:13     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-02  7:53       ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-07-19 21:53   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20 10:14     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23  9:57       ` gitoxide-compatible licensing of Git's Rust code, was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-23 17:48         ` Jeff King
2025-09-24 13:48           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-25  2:25             ` Jeff King
2025-09-25  5:42               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-26 10:06               ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-03  3:18                 ` Jeff King
2025-10-03  9:51                   ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-07  9:11                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-11-17 13:37                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-10-05  5:32       ` Yee Cheng Chin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 7/7] github_workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:23   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-18 23:01     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-25 23:56       ` Ben Knoble
2025-07-19 21:54   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 21:51 ` [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:25   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:29     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 15:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-22 16:03     ` Sam James
2025-07-22 21:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-22 21:55         ` Sam James
2025-07-22 22:08           ` Collin Funk
2025-07-18  9:23 ` Christian Brabandt
2025-07-18 16:26   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19  0:32     ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18 13:34 ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-18 21:25   ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-19  0:48     ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 14:24     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 15:14       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-22 15:56       ` Sam James
2025-07-23  4:32         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-24  9:01           ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-24 10:00             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-28  9:06               ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-18 14:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-18 21:56   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-21 10:14   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-21 18:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19 21:53 ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20  8:45   ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15  1:22 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 01/17] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:03     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:06         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-19  2:06       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 02/17] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 03/17] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 04/17] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 05/17] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 06/17] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 07/17] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 08/17] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 09/17] Do support Windows again after requiring Rust Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:12     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 22:11         ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-08-15 23:37           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 23:37         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:53         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-17 15:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19  2:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 10/17] win+Meson: allow for xdiff to be compiled with MSVC Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 11/17] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 12/17] github workflows: define rust versions and targets in the same place Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 13/17] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 14/17] xdiff: implement a white space iterator in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 15/17] xdiff: create line_hash() and line_equal() Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 16/17] xdiff: optimize case where --ignore-cr-at-eol is the only whitespace flag Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 17/17] xdiff: use rust's version of whitespace processing Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 15:07   ` [-SPAM-] [PATCH v2 00/17] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ramsay Jones
2025-08-19  2:00     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-24 16:52       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-18 22:31   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-18 23:52     ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-19  1:52     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-19  9:47       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23  3:55   ` [PATCH v3 00/15] RFC: Cleanup " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 01/15] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 02/15] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23 13:43       ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 14:26         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23 15:06           ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 18:30             ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-23 19:24               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23 20:04                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 20:36                 ` Sam James
2025-08-23 21:17                 ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-08-27  1:57               ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 14:39                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 17:06                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 17:15                     ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 20:12                     ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 20:22                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-02 11:16                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-02 11:30                           ` Sam James
2025-09-02 17:27                           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-02 18:47                             ` Sam James
2025-09-03 18:22                               ` Collin Funk
2025-09-03  5:40                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-03 16:22                               ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-03 22:10                               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 22:48                                 ` Josh Steadmon
2025-09-04 11:10                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 15:45                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  8:23                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04  0:57                               ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 11:39                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 13:53                                   ` Sam James
2025-09-05  3:55                                     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-04 23:17                                   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  3:54                                   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05  6:50                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:10                                       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-07 16:09                                         ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 10:12                                           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-08 15:32                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:10                                           ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 15:41                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:31                                           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 15:36                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 16:13                                               ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 17:01                                                 ` rsbecker
2025-09-08  6:40                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 10:31                                     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 11:32                                       ` Sam James
2025-09-05 13:14                                       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 13:23                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 15:37                                         ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-09-08  6:40                                           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-23 14:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 03/15] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 04/15] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 05/15] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 06/15] ivec: create a vector type that is interoperable between C and Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  8:12       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23  9:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 16:14       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 16:37         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 18:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 20:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-25 19:16         ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-26  5:40           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-24 13:31       ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-25 20:40         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 13:30           ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-26 18:47             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 22:01               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 07/15] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 08/15] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 09/15] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 10/15] xdiff: use one definition for freeing xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 11/15] xdiff: replace chastore with an ivec in xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 12/15] xdiff: delete nrec field from xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 13/15] xdiff: delete recs " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 14/15] xdiff: make xdfile_t more rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 15/15] xdiff: implement xdl_trim_ends() in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget

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