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From: Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net>
To: pat@dumaisnet.ca
Cc: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>, alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: hardware channel mixing
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:31:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040903163146.110c2ba0@mango.fruits.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409030957010.9962@pat.dumaisnet.ca>

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:04:29 -0400 (EDT)
Patrick Dumais <pat@dumaisnet.ca> wrote:

> 
> That's the thing. I'm writing a soft-sampler. meaning that I have
> multiple samples playing at one time when the user presses the keys on
> his midi keyboard. I don't like software mixing because I feel I could
> gain quality by relying on the hardware (am I right?).

No.

> And I also want my app to go
> faster by letting the hardware do this job. But I realize that opening
> 16 devices (16voice polyphony for my app) can be ressource consuming,
> so it's a drawback. I'm not too sure what to do.

Also this will not help you any at all in avoiding latency [btw: what
are you referring to as "go faster"?]. And yes, opening 16 devices is
resource consuming..

> 
> Mixing is a little bit more than adding the samples together, you have
> to do clipping and there is also a method shown on
> http://www.vttoth.com/digimix.htm

That method sounds like it's inappropriate for a soft sampler. Mixing is
adding. period. The user will have to make sure not to bust the headroom
by adjusting the samples gains. A method like in the link is maybe
useful for game sound systems, etc.. but a professional audio app should
avoid such approaches like hell. If you want to make sure you don't
bust the headroom, use a hardlimiter[and process everything in a
datatype that can hold the intermediate result], but i wouldn't want my
sampler to tinker with the dynamics at all if not explicitly requested.

> to make prevent one sound to be higher than the other one when one has
> a silence in it. With that in mind I think I could get a high quality
> sound for my app, but would it be worth all the processing? should I
> still use more than one device instead, assuming that I would include
> but functionalyties for users that don't have a compatible sound card.

flo

P.S.: you should come join the #lad channel on irc.freenode.org. there
we can discuss in RT. I hang around there in the evening [gmt] usually

P.P.S.: If you want to avoid all the alsa pcm troubles i strongly
recommend using jack


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-03 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-29 15:03 hardware channel mixing Patrick Dumais
2004-09-03 12:59 ` Clemens Ladisch
2004-09-03 13:15   ` Patrick Dumais
2004-09-03 13:24     ` Clemens Ladisch
2004-09-03 13:58     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-09-03 14:04       ` Patrick Dumais
2004-09-03 14:31         ` Florian Schmidt [this message]
2004-09-03 14:34           ` Patrick Dumais
2004-09-03 15:23             ` Florian Schmidt
2004-09-07  5:04         ` Glenn Maynard
2004-09-03 23:30   ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04  1:19     ` Manuel Jander
2004-09-04 23:28       ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05  3:02         ` Manuel Jander
2004-09-05  5:06           ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 18:12             ` Manuel Jander
2004-09-05 18:39               ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 18:28       ` Lee Revell
2004-09-06 11:54         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-09-06 20:41           ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07  1:09             ` hardware channel mixing [EMU10K1 DMA] Manuel Jander
2004-09-07  4:47               ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07  6:53                 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07  8:23                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-09-07 18:26                   ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07 19:16                     ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-09-07 19:34                       ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07 19:41                         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-09-07 19:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07 19:48                           ` Lee Revell
2004-09-07 19:52                             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-09-07 20:06                               ` Lee Revell
2004-09-08 22:49                       ` Lee Revell

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