* C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in @ 2010-04-01 1:18 Lars Schotte 2010-04-01 3:31 ` Dan Chen 2010-04-01 9:52 ` Clemens Ladisch 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Lars Schotte @ 2010-04-01 1:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alsa-devel I have this Sweex Sorround sound card PCI and I want to use it for recording / digitalizing / magnetic and other media types through line-in. I have to use that card (or another) because the built-in sound card doesnt work /is broken/. The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. So I try to record from the line in input, which works for listening, so line in input is played good through line out then. I dont know if there is a passthrought or sth. however, when I record it, using audacity, or even alsarecord / it doesnt matter / the sound is reported and also actually is too silent and there is a lot of noise. So with that noise, this card is for digitalizing useless. this soundcard has physically no shared connector with the rear, or bass or whatever. so there are 5 connectors, line in, mic in, front, rear and cent/sub. each for himself. maybe thats the case, that the old ones did have shared one and therefore it breaks the recording or whatever, just a theory. because a few years ago i had an old cmipci and that one worked fine. just to be clear, there is sound, so it records, the problem is that its too silent and there is a lot of noise in it. i write this note because I saw some reports that suggest that it produces _only_ noise in recording. thats not the case here. -- ------------------- Lars Schotte @ romy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in 2010-04-01 1:18 C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in Lars Schotte @ 2010-04-01 3:31 ` Dan Chen 2010-04-01 9:52 ` Clemens Ladisch 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Dan Chen @ 2010-04-01 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Schotte, alsa-devel From: Lars Schotte <lars.schotte@schotteweb.de> > I have this Sweex Sorround sound card PCI and I want to use it for > recording / digitalizing / magnetic and other media types through > line-in. I have to use that card (or another) because the built-in > sound card doesnt work /is broken/. > > The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. Please attach http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh output (--no-upload) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in 2010-04-01 1:18 C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in Lars Schotte 2010-04-01 3:31 ` Dan Chen @ 2010-04-01 9:52 ` Clemens Ladisch 2010-04-01 11:00 ` Lars Schotte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Clemens Ladisch @ 2010-04-01 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Schotte; +Cc: alsa-devel Lars Schotte wrote: > The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. This chip was designed before on-board sound devices were common, and manages to have worse analog sound quality than many of those, especially on its inputs. > So I try to record from the line in input, ... > its too silent and there is a lot of noise in it. Even if your current mixer settings are suboptimal and can be improved (please show the output of "amixer contents" or the alsa-info output), be aware that this card never will have good quality. Regards, Clemens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in 2010-04-01 9:52 ` Clemens Ladisch @ 2010-04-01 11:00 ` Lars Schotte 2010-04-01 11:14 ` Daniel Mack 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Lars Schotte @ 2010-04-01 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alsa-devel OK. but the question is, does it put noise in recording in windows as well? I maybe solved it w/ activating the old hd audio integraded snd card, whichs broken, but line-in works and i tried it recording w/ it and that works perfectly. you say, that the cards never going to have a good sound quality. I am sure it doesnt, but what I am getting isnt even good enough. there is written on the box that I can record with it in 44khz and so on, cd quality and whatever, so is it a lie? i tried out manipulating w/ the mixer, believe me, however, i ll post some output later, but the settings can not be set better, because the only relevant setting here is the line-in and that is already on maximum. the second thing that i dont understand about this card is, that when I play sth at line-in, the sound is perfect, but the recording is crappy. so does it have a line-in to line-out passthrough? but then hows that possible that I can regulate it on my mixer and even mute line-in completely? On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:38 +0200 Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de> wrote: > Lars Schotte wrote: > > The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. > > This chip was designed before on-board sound devices were common, and > manages to have worse analog sound quality than many of those, > especially on its inputs. > > > So I try to record from the line in input, ... > > its too silent and there is a lot of noise in it. > > Even if your current mixer settings are suboptimal and can be improved > (please show the output of "amixer contents" or the alsa-info output), > be aware that this card never will have good quality. > > > Regards, > Clemens > _______________________________________________ > Alsa-devel mailing list > Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel -- ------------------- Lars Schotte @ romy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in 2010-04-01 11:00 ` Lars Schotte @ 2010-04-01 11:14 ` Daniel Mack 2010-04-01 11:24 ` Lars Schotte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Daniel Mack @ 2010-04-01 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Schotte; +Cc: alsa-devel (please don't top-post) On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 01:00:55PM +0200, Lars Schotte wrote: > OK. but the question is, does it put noise in recording in windows as > well? Does it? Given that nobody else here happens to have the same audio card, I believe you're on your own to find out whether this is a hardware or driver issue. > I maybe solved it w/ activating the old hd audio integraded snd > card, whichs broken, but line-in works and i tried it recording w/ it > and that works perfectly. you say, that the cards never going to have a > good sound quality. I am sure it doesnt, but what I am getting isnt > even good enough. there is written on the box that I can record with it > in 44khz and so on, cd quality and whatever, so is it a lie? "44khz and so on" just tells you how the ADC/DAC works, it says nothing about the analog audio performance. So, vendors can screw the entire analog path and still claim they operating on CD quality digitally, yes. Welcome to the real world. > i tried out manipulating w/ the mixer, believe me, however, i ll post > some output later, but the settings can not be set better, because the > only relevant setting here is the line-in and that is already on > maximum. the second thing that i dont understand about this card is, > that when I play sth at line-in, the sound is perfect, but the > recording is crappy. so does it have a line-in to line-out passthrough? Is there any software active to enable that pass-thru? Or is that a hardare feature? > but then hows that possible that I can regulate it on my mixer and even > mute line-in completely? Maybe you should provide the output you have been asked for, namely your mixer settings and the output of the alsa-info.sh script. And the information about how the same hardware performs under Windows would also help you and other understand where the problem might be. HTH, Daniel > On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:38 +0200 > Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de> wrote: > > > Lars Schotte wrote: > > > The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. > > > > This chip was designed before on-board sound devices were common, and > > manages to have worse analog sound quality than many of those, > > especially on its inputs. > > > > > So I try to record from the line in input, ... > > > its too silent and there is a lot of noise in it. > > > > Even if your current mixer settings are suboptimal and can be improved > > (please show the output of "amixer contents" or the alsa-info output), > > be aware that this card never will have good quality. > > > > > > Regards, > > Clemens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: C-Media CMI8738-LX noise in recording from line in 2010-04-01 11:14 ` Daniel Mack @ 2010-04-01 11:24 ` Lars Schotte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Lars Schotte @ 2010-04-01 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alsa-devel yes, I will post it, like I said, I am not on that computer now. I dont have any windows now, so maybe I ll get some copy from bittorrent or whatever, I didnt use windows for a long time. I dont know if it has a passthrough. its only I cant otherwise explain, why the sound card is working good on playback and the recroding is such bad quality. On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:14:04 +0200 Daniel Mack <daniel@caiaq.de> wrote: > (please don't top-post) > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 01:00:55PM +0200, Lars Schotte wrote: > > OK. but the question is, does it put noise in recording in windows > > as well? > > Does it? Given that nobody else here happens to have the same audio > card, I believe you're on your own to find out whether this is a > hardware or driver issue. > > > I maybe solved it w/ activating the old hd audio integraded snd > > card, whichs broken, but line-in works and i tried it recording w/ > > it and that works perfectly. you say, that the cards never going to > > have a good sound quality. I am sure it doesnt, but what I am > > getting isnt even good enough. there is written on the box that I > > can record with it in 44khz and so on, cd quality and whatever, so > > is it a lie? > > "44khz and so on" just tells you how the ADC/DAC works, it says > nothing about the analog audio performance. So, vendors can screw the > entire analog path and still claim they operating on CD quality > digitally, yes. Welcome to the real world. > > > i tried out manipulating w/ the mixer, believe me, however, i ll > > post some output later, but the settings can not be set better, > > because the only relevant setting here is the line-in and that is > > already on maximum. the second thing that i dont understand about > > this card is, that when I play sth at line-in, the sound is > > perfect, but the recording is crappy. so does it have a line-in to > > line-out passthrough? > > Is there any software active to enable that pass-thru? Or is that a > hardare feature? > > > but then hows that possible that I can regulate it on my mixer and > > even mute line-in completely? > > Maybe you should provide the output you have been asked for, namely > your mixer settings and the output of the alsa-info.sh script. > > And the information about how the same hardware performs under Windows > would also help you and other understand where the problem might be. > > HTH, > Daniel > > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:38 +0200 > > Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de> wrote: > > > > > Lars Schotte wrote: > > > > The soundcard has following chipset - C-Media CMI8738-LX. > > > > > > This chip was designed before on-board sound devices were common, > > > and manages to have worse analog sound quality than many of those, > > > especially on its inputs. > > > > > > > So I try to record from the line in input, ... > > > > its too silent and there is a lot of noise in it. > > > > > > Even if your current mixer settings are suboptimal and can be > > > improved (please show the output of "amixer contents" or the > > > alsa-info output), be aware that this card never will have good > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Clemens > _______________________________________________ > Alsa-devel mailing list > Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel -- ------------------- Lars Schotte @ romy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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