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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	sakari.ailus@maxwell.research.nokia.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	lennart@poettering.net, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12]  media: Entities, pads and links
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:41:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101125134135.GB24208@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CEE2E7D.6060608@ladisch.de>

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:38:05AM +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote:

> In USB and HD audio devices, all links are immutable, and the routing
> is controlled by 'selector' entities that activate exactly one of their
> input pads.  In userspace, this entity shows up as a mixer control.
> I guess it would be possible to map the ACTIVE flag onto these controls.

Ditto for ASoC, mostly.

> Alternatively, entities can have 'mute' mixer controls associated with
> their pads.  In this case, multiple unmuted inputs would be mixed
> together.

> ALSA has PCM and MIDI devices, and several types of mixer controls.
> (It also has hardware dependent and timer devices, but I don't think
> these would need topology information.)  So we need at least these:
>   MEDIA_ENTITY_TYPE_NODE_ALSA_PCM
>   MEDIA_ENTITY_TYPE_NODE_ALSA_MIDI
>   MEDIA_ENTITY_TYPE_SUBDEV_ALSA_CONTROL

> Furthermore, topology information is also needed for entities not
> associated with a mixer control, such as microphones, speakers, jacks/
> connectors, and effect units.  These entities are defined in the USB and
> HD audio specifications, but are not yet handled by ALSA.

All this and more in the embedded case - digital audio link nodes and DSP
I/O nodes (could possibly do those as digital audio ones) spring to
mind.  Also bear in mind that embedded devices can get *very* large - a
mobile phone audio system can have of the order of 100 nodes in the
graph.

> ALSA devices are not addressed by their device node but with card/device/
> subdevice numbers; mixer controls have numeric IDs, unique per card:
> 
> 		struct {
> 			int card;
> 			int device;
> 			int subdevice;
> 		} alsa_device;
> 		struct {
> 			int card;
> 			int numid;
> 		} alsa_control;

For the embedded stuff we also have a bunch of stuff in the graph which
may not be visible to userspace at all at present and would just have a
string based identifier.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-25 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1290652099-15102-1-git-send-email-laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
     [not found] ` <1290652099-15102-4-git-send-email-laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
2010-11-25  9:38   ` [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12] media: Entities, pads and links Clemens Ladisch
2010-11-25 13:41     ` Mark Brown [this message]
2010-11-25 15:29       ` [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12] [alsa-devel] " Laurent Pinchart
2010-11-25 15:35         ` [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12] " Mark Brown
2010-11-25 15:21     ` [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12] [alsa-devel] " Laurent Pinchart
2010-11-25 15:28       ` [RFC/PATCH v6 03/12] " Mark Brown
2010-11-26  9:10       ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-12-13 16:10         ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-12-14 12:00           ` [alsa-devel] " Laurent Pinchart
2010-12-14 12:40             ` Hans Verkuil
2010-12-14 12:53               ` Laurent Pinchart
2010-12-14 13:49                 ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-12-14 23:50                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2010-12-21 16:49                     ` [alsa-devel] " Hans Verkuil
2010-12-14 13:31             ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-12-14 13:54               ` Takashi Iwai
2010-12-14 14:25               ` Laurent Pinchart
2010-12-14 15:30                 ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-12-14 23:30                 ` Raymond Yau
2010-12-14 14:51               ` [alsa-devel] " Hans Verkuil
2010-12-14 14:57                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2010-12-14 14:49           ` [alsa-devel] " Sakari Ailus

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