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From: Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@intel.com>
To: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp>
Cc: tiwai@suse.de, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, broonie@linaro.org,
	Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>,
	omair.m.abdullah@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] ALSA: control: return payload length for TLV operation
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:50:40 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160831042040.GO9355@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38f437e4-56e7-dc7a-6892-c1d812fd56d3@sakamocchi.jp>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 07:04:12AM +0900, Takashi Sakamoto wrote:
> >>> The size is already returned in scale[1] (it's initialized by
> >>> DECLARE_TLV_DB_MINMAX()).  That's exactly what the "L" in "TLV" means.
> >>>
> >>> All other TLV callbacks also take care to set this field correctly.
> >>>
> >>> If there were any TLV callback that did not set _tlv[1] to the actual
> >>> size, it would be buggy, and just needed to be fixed to do so.
> >>
> >> As I described, TLV feature of ALSA control interface is not only
> >> used to transfer threshold level information, but also arbitrary
> >> data for I/O by developers in ALSA SoC part. The '_tlv[1]' protocol
> >> is not necessarily kept by them.
> > 
> > can you explain what you mean by 'to transfer threshold level information'
> > 
> > And on this discussion, IIUC, we should fill tlv[1] with size being returned
> > right? For the asoc part, I think we should fix snd_soc_bytes_tlv_callback()
> > to update this.
> 
> The layout of TLV packet is:
> struct snd_ctl_tlv {
>     unsigned int numid;   # numerical ID of a control element
>     unsigned int length;  # length of payload
>     unsigned int tlv[0];  # payload
> };
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound.git/tree/include/uapi/sound/asound.h?h=sound-4.8-rc4#n945
> 
> In our implementaion, TLV packet payload (struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv) is
> used to transfer data. For pure threshold level information, we expects
> applications and drivers to fill the payload with this protocol:
> struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[0]:  one of SNDRV_CTL_TLVT_XXX
> struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[1]:  length of data
> struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[2..]: data
> 
> (You can see SNDRV_CTL_TLVT_XXX in this header.
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound.git/tree/include/uapi/sound/tlv.h?h=sound-4.8-rc4
> )
> 
> On the other hand, ALSA SoC part performs:
> struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[0..]: arbitrary data
> 
> If your 'tlv[1]' means the 'struct snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[1]', no sense.
> 
> The issue I address is current implementation cannot correctly handle
> this case:
>  - applications request a buffer with a certain size
>  - drivers processes the request with smaller size
>  - application cannot get the size
> 
> When implementing I/O operation, in my understanding, this situation
> often occurs, depending on driver implementation. Fortunately, current
> implementation of WM-ADSP is free from this concern, but it's better for
> us not to expect this luck always.

Thanks for the detailed explanation,

IIUC, the fix would be to ensure that drivers or ASoC does return the length
value in snd_ctl_tlv.tlv[1] per the API expectations. As I said, in ASoC we
tend to move code to core, so snd_soc_bytes_tlv_callback should be updated

Thanks
-- 
~Vinod

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-31  4:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-29 23:44 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] ALSA: control: return payload length of TLV operation Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-29 23:44 ` [PATCH 1/4] ALSA: control: return payload length for " Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30  5:29   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-30  6:19     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30  6:59       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-30  7:13         ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30  7:39           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-30  7:05   ` Clemens Ladisch
2016-08-30  7:09     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30  8:04       ` Clemens Ladisch
2016-08-30 12:22         ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30 14:51       ` Vinod Koul
2016-08-30 22:04         ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-31  4:20           ` Vinod Koul [this message]
2016-08-31  4:30             ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-31  9:05               ` Charles Keepax
2016-08-31  9:40                 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-31 11:54                   ` Clemens Ladisch
2016-08-31 12:08                     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-31 15:26                       ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-31 15:40                         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-02 11:30                           ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-02 13:09                             ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-02 14:50                               ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-02 15:19                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-02 16:26                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-03 11:38                             ` Charles Keepax
2016-09-04 11:07                               ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-04 20:45                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-06  3:30                                   ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-12 12:37                                     ` Charles Keepax
2016-09-12 15:25                                       ` Vinod Koul
2016-09-12 15:28                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-12 16:03                                           ` Charles Keepax
2016-09-12 16:28                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-13  8:39                                               ` Charles Keepax
2016-08-31 12:19                     ` Charles Keepax
2016-08-31 13:24                       ` Clemens Ladisch
2016-08-31 14:18                         ` Charles Keepax
2016-08-31 16:05                           ` Vinod Koul
2016-09-02 11:18                     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-02 16:05                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-03  3:53                         ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-09-03 11:32                       ` Charles Keepax
2016-08-29 23:44 ` [PATCH 2/4] ALSA: control: delegate checking the length of data payload to each drivers Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-30 15:46   ` Vinod Koul
2016-08-29 23:44 ` [PATCH 3/4] ALSA: control: add kerneldoc for snd_kcontrol_tlv_rw_t Takashi Sakamoto
2016-08-29 23:44 ` [PATCH 4/4] ALSA: control: bump up protocol version to 2.0.8 Takashi Sakamoto

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