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From: Abramo Bagnara <abramo.bagnara@libero.it>
To: Anders Torger <torger@ludd.luth.se>
Cc: alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Why do I get broken pipe on write to a pcm in    statePREPARED?
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:46:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DA1C884.C8283CE6@libero.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200210071319.g97DJJ008659@d1o87.telia.com

Anders Torger wrote:
> 
> On Monday 07 October 2002 14.07, you wrote:
> > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > it CAN happen if you have multi-threads.
> > > the problem is that we have no option to block the poll.
> >
> > If you have multi-thread you have other alternative to do that.
> > OTOH application can't detect *why* poll is blocking with the change
> > you advocate.
> 
> This is a non-issue. I think it is larger risk to search for the wrong
> problem (like I did), that is beleiving that there is a buffer underrun
> or similar. This type of blocking bug is very easy to detect and debug,
> I don't think the bug-detection argument is important, and that is also
> the only argument for the current behaviour (apart from that it is bad
> to change APIs).

I'm not speaking about programming bugs. Suppose the PCM is stopped by
another thread: you're screwed.
 
> > > > That apart I'm sure that to make a change in actual behaviour
> > > > between rcX and 1.0 is a professional suicide. However it's
> > > > _your_ professional suicide so... ;-)))
> > >
> > > yes, i know it well ;)
> > >
> > > i don't like to change this inevitably, too.
> > > and as mentioned above, i don't mind to add an option as sw_params,
> > > etc. for the new behavior.
> > >
> > > but the current behavior is incorrect from the interpretation of
> > > POSIX.  so this must be a bug.
> > > if we have to change it, then i would choose the new one, because
> > > it's more intuitive without exception.
> >
> > As pointed by Clemens the current is the proper POSIX behaviour.
> 

Perhaps you should reread Single Unix Specification, I quote
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/functions/poll.html

POLLIN 
            Data other than high-priority data may be read without
blocking. 


POLLOUT 
            Normal data may be written without blocking. 


No data may be read/written in current stream state in the case we are
discussing.


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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-07 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209112103010.607-100000@pnote.perex-int.cz>
2002-09-11 19:26 ` Why do I get broken pipe on write to a pcm in state PREPARED? Anders Torger
2002-09-11 20:14   ` Paul Davis
2002-09-12 11:13     ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-12 11:48       ` Anders Torger
2002-09-12 15:56         ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-12 16:14           ` Anders Torger
2002-09-12 20:02           ` Tim Goetze
2002-09-13  9:41           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2002-09-13 10:43             ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-13 11:45               ` Tim Goetze
2002-09-13 12:37                 ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-15 17:56             ` Why do I get broken pipe on write to a pcm in statePREPARED? Abramo Bagnara
2002-09-16 10:46               ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-16 13:18                 ` Tim Goetze
2002-09-16 14:31                   ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-16 19:31                 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-09-16 19:49                   ` Tim Goetze
2002-09-16 20:14                   ` Anders Torger
2002-09-17  8:12                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-09-17  9:03                       ` Anders Torger
2002-09-17 13:04                       ` Paul Davis
2002-09-17  9:05                     ` Clemens Ladisch
2002-09-17 10:09                       ` Anders Torger
2002-09-17 11:09                       ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-17 11:55                         ` tomasz motylewski
2002-09-17 12:52                           ` Takashi Iwai
2002-09-17 13:01                             ` Anders Torger
2002-09-17 14:40                               ` Clemens Ladisch
2002-09-18 19:57                                 ` Anders Torger
2002-10-04  8:14                                   ` Anders Torger
2002-10-04 12:58                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2002-10-04 18:04                                       ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-07 10:15                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2002-10-07 12:07                                           ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-07 13:19                                             ` Anders Torger
2002-10-07 17:46                                               ` Abramo Bagnara [this message]
2002-10-08  9:54                                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2002-10-07 13:57                                             ` Tim Goetze
2002-10-09 18:13                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2002-09-17 13:03                       ` Paul Davis
2002-10-15 15:49           ` multiple devices/ possible bug in aplay or somewhere else? Guilhem Tardy
2002-10-15 16:14             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2002-10-15 17:05               ` Guilhem Tardy
     [not found] <3D8638F6.AC6DE0C2@racine.ra.it>
2002-09-16 22:04 ` Why do I get broken pipe on write to a pcm in statePREPARED? Tim Goetze
2002-09-17  8:21   ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-09-17  9:21     ` Tim Goetze
     [not found] <200209171301.g8HD1Ww01231@mother.ludd.luth.se>
2002-09-17 13:04 ` Anders Torger
     [not found] <3D98769A000FAA05@ims5a.libero.it>
2002-10-05  7:45 ` Abramo Bagnara
     [not found] <3D98769A00183382@ims5a.libero.it>
2002-10-08  6:06 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-08  7:30   ` Clemens Ladisch

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